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most English sources (including
WOSM and
WAGGGS) use the German name; also: wrong translation into English (there are different translations possible like Austrian Scouts and Guides, Boy Scouts and Girl Guides of Austria, Boy and Girl Scout Association of Austria and so on. None of these is clear, since there are more Scouting associations in Austria with - translated into English - very similar names.) --
jergen18:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)reply
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Support-Jergen shows great judgment in his articles, most English speakers will hunt for the topic with the English key words, and this will allow for more information on other existing orgs.
Chris01:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Google hits are a lame way to determine English encyclopedic usage. Of course the German name gets more hits if you don't even bother with an English-only search. (Only 425 when I tried)
LuiKhuntek23:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Please remember also that translations may be ambigious. There are at least two more Austrian Scout associations that can be translated to "Austrian Boy Scouts and Girl Guides" or to "Scouts and Guides of Austria". --
jergen08:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Support. Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Österreichs is a proper name of an organization that does not have a (officially) translated name (unlike the United Nations or the European Union for example). I think - I cannot prove that though - that PPÖ is internationally used. And as a matter of reciprocity: In the German Wikipedia English proper names are usually not translated either (some examples:
de:Boy Scouts of America,
de:NASA,
de:OPEC,
de:United States Marine Corps, etc.) --
Wirthi15:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)reply
Reciprocity should not come into it. We decide the policies for the English Wikipedia here and they decide the policies for the German Wikipedia there. As each wikipedia is a separate project there is no reason for the two to be the same, and equally no reason for them to be in balance.
Sumahoy22:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose English terms should be preferred unless it is problematic to produce a reliable translation, which is not the case here. The foreign name isn't even recognizable as the name of a scouting body.
Sumahoy21:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but this matter was settled. The translation by scout.org is incorrect; PPÖ uses both Boy Scouts and Girl Guides of Austria and Austrian Boy Scouts and Girl Guides, so there seems to be no official translation. --
jergen10:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page. Moving it back while waiting for a discussion to conclude would be a purely procedural move, so it's better to leave it where it is until a definite consensus is reached. Then this and similar pages can all be moved at once, if necessary. -
GTBacchus(
talk)03:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)reply
The English translation does not comply with
WP:UE since it is not commonly used; generally Scouting organization are referred to by the "native" names by both world Scouting bodies (
WOSM and
WAGGGS). English translations given by these institutions are only for understanding and differ even on the same website. For more details see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations. This article and the following examples were moved to an unsourced translation by an possible sockpuppet without relevant contribution on the discussion; after the move the mover vandalized the redirects so that they can't be overwritten. --
jergen10:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)reply
See also the above discussion; this matter was settled some months ago by moving the article to the German title. --
jergen11:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Move back to name the org itself uses-nobody authorized the sockpuppet to move these, since the vote was leaning toward keeping the native name.
Chris19:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose English terms should be preferred unless it is problematic to produce a reliable translation, which is not the case here. The foreign name isn't even recognizable as the name of a scouting body.
Sumahoy21:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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