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1) The article said that the "Allegory on the Blessings of Peace" in London's National Gallery is Rubens' only surviving ceiling painting. But earlier in the article there was mention of his ceiling painting for the Banqueting House at Whitehall, a painting which still exists. Therefore I deleted the sentence about the only surviving ceiling painting, etc.
2) The article stated that Rubens was the greatest painter in European art together with Rembrandt. This made it sound as if they were the only two such great painters, which would not be NPOV consensus of critics and historians; whereas simply mentioning Rubens as one of the greatest painters would be more acceptable for NPOV. I also thought there should be a mention of the Baroque, with which Rubens is so strongly identified. InvisibleSun 19:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Ghirlandajo has removed a section because: "(rm inane section full of crap: the largest collection of his paintings was held by the Hermitage Museum, prior to the Bolshevik lootings)" This is the "inane section full of crap" in question: Fram 15:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Major collections of Rubens' work can be found in Belgium and throughout the world. The largest collections are housed in
While the section may be incomplete and incorrect in some aspects, I don't see why it gets treated with such rude negativism, with an irrelevant reference to where the largest collection was before the Russian revolution. Notice also that before my changes, the only reference to major collections was: "A renowned collection of Peter Paul Rubens paintings and cartoons is displayed in the collection of the John and Mable Ringling Museum of Art in Sarasota, Florida." I think that my section at least was more complete and highlighted some of the largest current Rubens collections. I think it is rather preposterous that someone who claims that Rubens is not a Baroque painter (see Antwerp, Revision as of 14:53, 30 May 2006) deletes information from this article in such a childish way, instead of just correcting and if necessary expanding it. I'll leave the removed section out for now, as I want some discussion of this by other people, and don't want to start a revision war, but I think a list of major collections is a normal part of an encyclopedic article on an artist (see e.g. Hieronymus Bosch, which has a list of works with location; Rembrandt, which has a section on Museum collections; Salvador Dali, which list the largest collections of his work). Anyway, no matter if you like the section or not, at least act mature and discuss it in a reasonable way. Fram 15:13, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Currently, "Rubenesque" redirects to this article, but where I'm from, the word sees very common usage, and is certainly more acceptable and prolific than " Big Beautiful Woman." At the very least, I think "Rubenesque" should redirect to the BBA article, as that article states the origin of the word same as this one does. In the meantime, I'm adding a note at the top that informs the reader of the redirection. Thoughts? - Sestet 00:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Today I think Ruben's landscapes are more appreciated. He really was a very fine landscape painter. Mark Faraday 07:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC) Mark Faraday 2:17 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I just noted how small this article is! ChristianGL 01:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I should also note about what a image gallery it is becoming. FMF| contact 00:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, not only is the article short, but it is fully of factual errors and misleading statements. It really needs a facelift. Even the introduction makes it sound like he was primarily a diplomat. Diplomacy was certainly a calling, but he was first and foremost a painter (even when sent on diplomacy missions). There are lots of little things:
These are a couple of things that. I wont fix the header yet, but the other two I might as well. This article really needs the attention that Rubens deserves. -- Stomme 01:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
This is an ostentatious gesture showing acute knowlege of Rubens' fascinating biography, but works to confuse the wikipedia goer seeking general information. While Rubens actions as a diplomat are important and surely merit recognition and even elaboration, such facts should not precede his primary role as the foremost painter of his era. Clever erudition is often a mask for pretension--not that there's anything wrong with that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.131.155.161 ( talk) 16:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
This article is not in correspondence to Rubens importance as a painter. The content is mostly sketchy and includes rather trivial statements (f.a. about the 'Rubenesque')that belong into a 'trivia' or 'popular culture' section. Rubens immense influence on European painting for centuries to go isn't even mentioned. A person unfamiliar with the work and life of Rubens certainly gets the impression he was just a painter of limited art historical importance. This article deserves urgent revision. Who can help? May 7 2007
I don't have time for this right now: the De Medici part is wrong, he never started the Henry paintings, they were promised as a commission but only after he did a series of Henry's wife, Maria De Medici first, which he completed though he never got to do any about Henry (which he wanted to very much). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.120.240.199 ( talk) 02:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
this page definitely needs help...the guy is considered one of the genius' of painting...
I think that this website http://www.allpaintings.org/v/Baroque/Peter+Paul+Rubens/ is more usefull than the others for findind Ruben's works. There are 265 images with information about year, support, their location and the genre. -- Oriolhernan 12:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The article calls Rubens "Sir" Peter Paul, but it is not customary for persons who are not themselves British citizens to be so styled, even if the have received an honourary knighthood.
207.38.182.239 ( talk) 23:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Rubens is called a 'Flemish' painter. He wasn't. The city of Antwerp, the closest thing he had to a home, was not a Flemish city until the 1970s! His nationality was complex, as the ideology of nations did not exist yet, but Brabant, South-Netherlands or even Spanish would summarize the political unities Antwerp, and thus Rubens, were part of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.177.208.180 ( talk) 16:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Shouldn't the fact that he is now most widely-remembered in popular culture as a painter of plump female figures be picked up in the article somehow? Certainly he is one of the all-time great painters, let alone one of the two greatest of the "Dutch Masters", but doesn't this minor pop-cultural footnote (the fact that his name is the origin of a euphemism for "overweight") merit at least a mention? (Asked because I am hoping that someone could phrase it better than I would.)
Rlquall 01:46, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rubenesque
24.79.32.243 (
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22:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
"Peter Paul Rubens is probably just as well known in the English world today due to his affirmation of the beauty and sensuality of the plus-sized woman.
Rubens was very fond of voluptuous and plump women and he featured them wherever possible in his paintings." -
http://www.paris-culture-guide.com/peter-paul-rubens.html
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There is also no evidence for his birth at Siegen (Germany). Rubens himself wrote "né en Anvers", and the birthplace at Antwerp is open to visitors. Maybe one of his siblings is born at Siegen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.4.78.134 ( talk) 16:24, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Why is Rubens called a "Flemish... painter"? He was born in Westphalia and was active throughout Europe, chiefly in Antwerp, which was part of the Duchy of Brabant at the time. I can't detect any notable Flemish connections.
There are different reasons (notary proceeding concerning his mother: she was highy pregnant in July 1576 and stayed for this reason in Antwerp till October 1576) to believe that Rubens was not born on 28 June 1577 in Siegen, but in 1576 in Antwerp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaja 55 ( talk • contribs) 13:49, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
No Flemish connections? His parents were Flemish people who had emigrated to Germany for religious reasons, he trained and worked most of his life in Flanders (which by his time referred to a region larger than the County of Flanders, and included the Duchy of Brabant) and was known everywhere as Flemish (il fiammingho). Of course, since the establishment of Belgium there has been a 'devoir de récupération' of Flemish art and science by the Belgian state coupled with a denigration of contemporary Flemish people, language and culture. And only in such context can statements denying his Flemish nationality be understood. Reginadelmondo ( talk) 07:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
I have a biscuit tin by Peter Paul Rubens 1577-1640 is it worth keeping has a beautiful picture on top of tin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.182.160.239 ( talk) 23:39, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Glancing at the paragraphs under the "Art" section this wiki article seems biased towards a feminist type reflection on Peter Paul Rubens. Reading wikipedia on the daily this struck me as odd as I thought wikipedia was, for the most part, trying to be impartial on most things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:FA00:DA0:702A:214D:9AB7:C671 ( talk) 08:43, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Reubens portrait of George Villiers, the 1st Duke of Buckingham found in scotlend
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4915324/Lost-Rubens-masterpiece-hanging-country-house.html
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The article states that the birth year of Maria Constantia Rubens, his youngest daughter born after his dead, is 1649. Since he died in 1640 that's simply impossible. Shouldn't it be 1641?-- Wester ( talk) 18:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
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Addition of a photo of Rubens' "St. James the Greater" (c. 1608) to the Selected Works section under Early Works. Caption under the photo might read: St. James the Greater, c. 1608. Muscarelle Museum of Art. RubberBandCup ( talk) 16:03, 11 July 2018 (UTC)