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It's been unopposed for all Warriors-spinoff games for years, thus making it consensus by default. "Neither Atlus nor Omega Force consider it part of the Dynasty Warriors franchise." actually doesn't matter if other sources do consider them as such, which (last I checked) they mostly did. Make a
WT:VG post if you'd like more opinions on this. ~
Dissident93(
talk)19:30, 29 December 2019 (UTC)reply
But sources do not. The article you cite as a source does not say that. And of course it matters, otherwise anyone could just claim anything is part of a franchise and voila. Not only that, but my edit doesn't remove the gameplay-relation of the two IP, only corrects the phrasing to, well, correct.
Kyoushu~ ►Talk Page 00:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Like, tell me where the Gematsu article states it's a crossover between two IP. The other sources, Eurogamer and Nintendo Life, literally say it's a Warriors-styled game in the headline and article. None of the articles used here say what you say.
Kyoushu~ ►Talk Page 00:17, 9 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Having a similar style doesn't make something part of the same series? An article drawing a comparison that they play similarily doesn't make it a source of confirmation of it being a part of the series? Is "Doom" part of the "Wolfenstein" franchise because they look and play similarily and are made by the same people? Are "Dark Souls", "Bloodborne" and "Sekiro" all part of the "Souls" series? Literally nothing works like this? Warriors-style action game =/= warriors game. There isn't even a precedent of doing this on Wikipedia - the burden of sourcing what you say, that these are the same series should be on you. And no, there wasn't a "consensus by default". You JUST went to all the articles and JUST changed it therinafter to make your point, completely UNSOURCED holy shit
Kyoushu~ ►Talk Page 13:29, 12 January 2020 (UTC)reply
You realize I wasn't the one who originally formatted like this, right? Nobody else seems to oppose it but you, meaning you need some sort of consensus to get these changed. I've already made a WT:VG post, but we still need more opinions. ~
Dissident93(
talk)21:50, 12 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Can you link it? I can't find it. And excuse my slow replies, I've been busy with work. Anyway, the creators have mentioned that Dragon Quest Heroes is not a "musou"[1] and just recently in an Interview stated that Persona 5 Scamble started out as Persona Musou, but they decided to turn it into an action-RPG and a sequel to 5.[2] Hyurle Warriors (Zelda Musou) is a musou. Berserk Musou (Berserk and the Band of the Hawk) and Ken's Rage (Hokuto Musou) all are. They're marketed as such and also play as such.
Kyoushu~ ►Talk Page 11:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)reply
We had a similar dispute at
Hyrule Warriors last year. There, I think we settled on it’s current wording, which called it a “collaboration” between the two companies, and a “crossover” of ideas of the two franchises, because one editor had weird hang ups with the word “spinoff”. I don’t know if it’s ideal - I have no objection to spinoff - but it did bring a consensus at least.
Sergecross73msg me22:26, 12 January 2020 (UTC)reply
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Sergecross73: Does this mean we keep or omit Warriors from the infobox under the series parameter? I don't have a strong opinion either way, I just want consistency between all these Warriors-style licensed games. ~
Dissident93(
talk)22:54, 12 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Well... A "Dynasty Warriors series game" means a Dynasty Warriors-**style** game, or just means it's named after Musou in Japan or Warriors in Western?--
Lopullinen (
talk)
07:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Of course the article doesn't make it clear, because the term 'crossover' means the opposite of that. People who read this article will assume Lu Bu, the Battle of Chi Bi, and stuff like that will be in this game. In every other instance we recognize similar game play styles under the term 'genre' not by declaring one is a 'crossover' of another, so why are musou games treated differently? It is literally not a cross over. Even if some source mistakenly said it was, do we apply 'trusted sources' to things like spelling and grammatical errors? Because that's all misusing the term 'crossover' as in this case amounts to.
24.198.97.148 (
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17:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)reply