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I hope someone more knowledgeable can shed some light on this. I don't see what the difference is between a peel tower and a tower house. Maybe the entries could be merged? Or perhaps someone could provide more information detailing the differences. I have seen references to peel towers in locations other than along the Borders, so I don't think it's a matter of geography. Thanks in advance.
Yasha1969 (
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16:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)reply
"The word ['Peel'] came to be applied to tower houses on the English side of the border, but not in Scotland, where a ‘pele house’ is the name given to a variety of fortified farmhouse which in England would be called a ‘bastle’." – "The Tweed Valley". Archaeological Journal. 172 (sup1): 1–47. 2015.
doi:
10.1080/00665983.2015.1052620.
ISSN0066-5983. --
Northernhenge (
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13:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Hmm. I think most sources, eg Historic England, Aslet & Powers etc, use "pele" for the English ones too. Propably the article should be moved.
Johnbod (
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14:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes, someone who had read a guide book or spoken to locals and seeing a fortified Church or farm or country mansion or whatever with a particularly stern tower would say it was a peel tower. Academics might differ - they'd be looking at its age and details of its construction and they'd be looking out for later imitations and vanity projects. They might even avoid the word "pele" altogether. I imagine someone looking up "pele" or "bastle" or even perhaps "tower house" would expect to land in tbe same article. How about "keep" though? --
Northernhenge (
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12:26, 13 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Not sure what you're saying here. Best keep "keep" out of it I think, except as part of a large castle.
Tower house rightly takes you to a global article, or a string of national ones.
Bastle house is different and has a different article. The
Peel Monument (and there seems in fact to be more than one
Peel Tower), further confuses things. You do realize the pronunciation of "peel" & "pele" is identical?
Johnbod (
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15:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes thanks (peel and pele). I used them interchangeably without noticing. I'll just keep very gradually working a little on this article and leave its longer term future to wiser souls. Over and out. --
Northernhenge (
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20:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm a newbie here, and hope I'm not breaking any rules about Improvements to this page. I have a concern about the sentence: "By an Act of the Parliament of England in 1455, each of these towers was required to have an iron basket on its summit and a smoke or fire signal, for day or night use, ready at hand." [11] which links to a note "^James, 19", which like a previous note for James, has no association to a previous book in the notes.
I raise this point because the wiki article
List of Acts of the Parliament of England to 1483, for the year 1455, has this entry:
1455 (33 Hen. 6)
(Embezzlement, repeal of 31 Hen. 6 c. 6, jurors, exchequer, etc.) cc. 1–7
Importation Act 1455
Neither of these subjects seem to concern pele (peel) towers, so where did 1455 come from?