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I'm not entirely sure of it, but I think the photo on this page of DeVlaeminck on the cobbles is from the Koppenberg climb in
Tour of Flanders. The steep banks on the side of the road are a dead giveaway (at least, to me) and looking off in the distance, the climb seems way too steep to be anything from Roubaix. Plus, all the riders are wearing helmets, which were required in Belgium (before the UCI made them mandatory in 2003), but in not in France, where P-R takes place.
At any rate, I feel like the
Paris-Roubaix page should have a muddier picture, or at least one where the cobbles look more atrocious, since that's what the race is known for. This shot of grimacing riders laboring up an ungodly steep climb is out of place here, but would be ideal for the
Tour of Flanders page.
I don't think the line "Riders who win both races in the same year are guaranteed eternal fame." When 3 riders do not even have pages. Saying it is a great honor might be better.--
68.45.76.17422:14, 20 July 2006 (UTC)reply
Garin
Maurice Garin was born in Italy, close to Aosta, then migrated to France, but he had the French Citizen just in the December 1901, so the two Paris Roubaix won in the 1896 and 1897 were won by the Italian Maurice Garin.
Paris-Roubaix doesn't start in Paris at all.. Even one of the subsequent sections says "The 260 km race starts in CompiĂšgne and follows a winding route northwards towards Roubaix, ". Perhaps someone more knowledgeable should fix this?--
ÄavinĆ€ing15:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)reply
The last additions to the article are largely written by me (a non-native speaker) and grammar probably needs to be corrected. Could anyone check it? Tips to improve the article are also welcomed! Regards--
Drunt (
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23:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Featured article?
The article has developed nicely following the contributions by
User:Les woodland and I was wondering if we could improve the article and nominate it as a good article (or featured?). Paris-Roubaix is probably the most famous of the one-day cycling races and it could be interesting to improve the article to meet the requirements of
Wikipedia:Featured article criteria. In that case, we could even propose this article to be "Today's featured article" (
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests) in April 2009. Wouldn't it be great? Some ideas to improve the article:
Include more information about Amis de Paris-Roubaix.
Maybe the first image of the article (after the Logo) should be one portraying riders riding on cobblestones to illustrate the subject of the article (or a picture showing cobblestones).
Do you have more information about the velodrome and the showers? Isn't it a tradition to take a shower there? The cubicles are named after the riders.
I'm wondering if the copyright of old photographs (pre-First World War) is already expired. There is a photograph in the book Paris-Roubaix: A Journey Through Hell of the very first start where you can see J.Fischer and M.Garin. Do you know where we could find it? (or other pictures of the very first races)
FANTASTIC ARTICLE! Up to "Good Article," I say. Let the nomination process begin. Incredibly well referenced, and chock-full of clearly written information. --
Smilo Don (
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01:58, 4 April 2009 (UTC)reply
I've removed the reference to "historic" showers. They may be primitive but they're not historic; the track was built after the war.
Les woodland (
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16:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)les woodlandreply
The article completely lacks reliable sources â see Wikipedia:Verifiability.
well sourced
The topic is treated in an obviously non-neutral way â see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
neutral
There are cleanup banners that are obviously still valid, including cleanup, wikify, NPOV, unreferenced or large numbers of fact, clarifyme, or similar tags.
no banners
The article is or has been the subject of ongoing or recent, unresolved edit wars.
no edit wars
The article specifically concerns a rapidly unfolding current event with a definite endpoint.
n/a, annual updates obviously required, but currently up to date.
I don't know if it's covered in the citation. I did not write very much of this article (you may have assumed, not unreasonably, that I was a primary author of the article, but I'm not). I don't know how to revise this.
Nosleepbreak my slumber 20:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC) OK, will assume good faith on this.
Jezhotwells (
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01:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)reply
I wrote the original piece. No, the name of the bishop or whatever has long vanished. It is indeed the Roman Catholic church. This being France, there would be no English Catholic church (official name, I understand, of the Church of England). The Catholic church in France is known simply as the Catholic church, there being no need to distinguish it, but we're probably into petty semantics here:
Les woodland (
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06:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)les woodlandreply
Seeking cobbles is relatively recent. It began at the same time in Paris-Roubaix and the Ronde van Vlaanderen, when widespread improvements to roads after the second world war brought realisation that the character of both races were changing. Perhaps seeking the challenge of cobbles... would be better.
Pierre Mauroy, when he was mayor of Lille [Roubaix is virtually a suburb of Lille], virtually is a weasel word, perhaps best drop it in favour of something more neutral.
28 - Troisvilles to InchyFirst used 1987. The highest of all the cobbles at 136m. Jean Stablinski memorial on the right. The section drops 900m at two per cent. Suggest: First used in 1987. The highest of all the cobbled sections at 136m. Jean Stablinski memorial on the right. The section drops at two per cent for 900m.
23 - Capelle sur Ecaillon to Buat I am confused by the following bit. How does it get to 400m in height? What is the 7 500m I thought the whole length was 1700m?
Well, Arenberg is well known as the most difficult of the cobbles, so it's only natural that there's been more written about it. I'm not really sure that's a problem.
Nosleepbreak my slumber03:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)reply
12 - Orchies, chemin des PriĂšres, and chemin des Abattoirsdisjointed in the last 600m What does disjointed mean?
1 - Roubaix, Espace Charles Crupelandt - The final cobbles For consistency can we start with the length?
I think there's a fair bit of OR in the course section. I'll revise to fit the two used references (and perhaps others), but that's going to take a little more time than I have right now - I'll try tomorrow.
Nosleepbreak my slumber20:50, 18 June 2009 (UTC)reply
I have made other copy edits, please check that I haven't distorted the meaning. Also please make all phrases such as left-turn, left turn, left hand turn, 90-degree, 90 degree, etc consistent throughout.
Jezhotwells (
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19:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Theo de RooyThe American television channel CBS covered Paris-Roubaix, said the writer James Startt, and was delighted to find a prominent rider who could speak English. Which year?
Jezhotwells (
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19:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
 Done Rather significant revision - found a better source than the fairly anonymous "James Startt" and a "disappeared website." Revised wording around de Rooy's charming words as well.
Nosleepbreak my slumber21:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)reply
 Done. I also took out the "Films" subheading, as I found it trivial, containing one link that can be reinserted anywhere (put it in the lead) and one redlink.
Nosleepbreak my slumber02:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)reply
This broadly conforms to MOS, but I think the records section should be merged with Winners and records to remove duplication. Also I query the necessity for the table at the head of the course section as the information becomes duplicated.
Jezhotwells (
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19:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
I have merged the records-sections, but I think the course-table should stay. It's a short summary table, and could be used as a "navigator", meaning that the names should wikilink to their respective section in the article, rather than to the cities! What do you think?
lil2mas (
talk) 00:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC) Yes, that would be good if it is wikilinked to the sections.
Jezhotwells (
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21:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)reply
The article is fairly well referenced but there are some sections that need referencing which I shall come to.
Ref #42, #43, #56 need properly formatting, at the moment they are just bare html. Ref 26# doesn't support the statement and links to a blog section of velo-club.net I assume good faith in the references to print sources.
Jezhotwells (
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20:06, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
 Done, though I feel a little uncomfortable about the replacement of ref #26. I found the same statement (that early races were run behind pacers) in the article
Hippolyte Aucouturier, where it's backed by a print source, which, naturally is a print source I've not read. I went ahead and included it, if it's a problem say so.
Nosleepbreak my slumber 03:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC) References OK now.
Jezhotwells (
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01:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)reply
I'm actually going to list that image for deletion. It's not needed here (good god doesn't this article have enough images anyway?) and its only other use is in Tafi's article. Fair use images of a living person (especially when used just to show what the person looks like, as in Tafi's article) are a no-no.
Nosleepbreak my slumber23:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)reply
OK, I am placing the article on hold. It may need more than 7 days which should be OK.
If you have queries about my comments please place them here or after the comment. I shall be watching this page and the article.
Jezhotwells (
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20:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Ok, Thank you very much for your hard work. A good article about a great road race. Congratulations. 01:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Changes
Thanks to all for the changes and other improvements to the article. I wrote a lot of it but it's often possible to be too close to your own writing to see its shortcomings. I'm flattered that it was considered good enough to propose as a Good Article. Thanks. Are there any outstanding amendments still to be made?
Les woodland (
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06:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)les woodlandreply
Garin
hello I was doing research on cycling and I serivano data Roubaix vogliodivi that Maurice Garin, there is a mistake because nationality is Italian.
He took French citizenship in 1901 and then ran as the first âPreceding
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93.40.55.159 (
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13:45, 18 September 2010 (UTC)reply
As it stands, the "Easter mystery" paragraph starts by saying the first race was on Easter Sunday and ends by saying it wasn't.
The notion of the church service seems to have been a publicity stunt by Victor Breyer. It was he who announced it and he who "cancelled" it. The church was shut that morning. But newspapers don't cancel church services, especially those - if we are to believe the story - organised in dudgeon by protesting clerics. Which leaves you to wonder whether there had ever been a service scheduled in the first place and why there would have been one, given that it wasn't Easter and that Sunday was and still is the general day for sports events in France.
The first time the race was run on Easter Sunday was the following year, but it was Easter that moved and not the race. The race was on the same weekend. It's just possible that the supposed row happened that year instead but I've never found evidence for it. If you have, please do say and give the sources.
I wrote the original entry that has been so much changed. If whoever rewrote it would be kind enough to consider my comments and, if he feels fit, to change the story to meet the facts, I'd be delighted.
As there was the opportunity I was encouraged to update this section. I added the new course map and edited the paragraphs deleting an obsolete section and renumbering the remaining sectors. I hope you dont argue and feel ok with my humble edits.
Maxxl2 (
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21:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)reply
This sort of detail is suited to a roadbook, not an encyclopaedia, and only relevant for roadbooks in some years. I am being bold and radically cutting it back, retaining sourced anecdotal info about the important sectors, but removing what is no more than notes about grading, length and star ratings which lacked any sentence structure.
If exactly the same sectors were ridden every year in the same order with the same gradings and at the same distance gone/to go then the table would be useful, but given that this is not the case, any table will only be recentism, and if it is only applicable to the 20** race, it should be in the article for the 20** race.
Kevin McE (
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10:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)reply
The dog called Gruson
Hi folks - under "The Wrong Race" section it talks about a dog called Gruson knocking Hinault off his bike, 13km from the finish. In fact, the section of cobbles 13km from the finish passes through the hamlet of Gruson. It's not impossible, I guess, that the dog had the same name has the village, but it seems unlikely.
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08:19, 11 April 2012 (UTC)reply
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The article currently says that Hinault rode this race three times.
In 1981 Bernard Hinault said after winning the race: ... The only other times he rode it were in 1980, when he finished fourth, and in 1982, as the defending champion
According to the "other records" section, the largest winning margin was 5'21 from the 1970 edition. According to the page of the 1896 edition, the margin that year was 25'00 --
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This is listed as a GA, but I don't think it currently meets the GA standards, as there are significant article issues. The most important ones are:
Lack of sourcing in places, many unsourced sections and lots of unsourced tables
Not enough about the history, only 10 years of the race are mentioned (and 8 of those are purely for "controversy" reasons). History section would be better laid out like in
Tour de France#History, with summaries for different time periods
This article has been a GA since 2009, but in my mind, it falls woefully short of the current GA standards. Problems I've identified are:
Lack of sourcing in places, many unsourced sections and lots of unsourced tables
Not enough about the history, only 10 years of the race are mentioned (and 8 of those are purely for "controversy" reasons). History section would be better laid out like in
Tour de France#History, with summaries for different time periods.
Article is overly focused on a small number of races, and doesn't have any text on 95% of the events at all. This therefore fails the major aspects and focused aspects of scope criteria.