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This image is subject to various UK Crown Copyrights, esp.
It is a screene shot taken from NLS's digital map collection using the viewer provided with the NLS's website.
As a proof of the tird party rights, the image still bears the coloured digital raster marks added by the NLS. These marks can easily made visible subject to your expertise. 91.65.32.1 07:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
You may well be right, but if there is an issue with the free use of the image it should be raised at the image's talk page, not here. Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
"Oot bewast da Horn o Papa,
Rowin Foula doon!
Owir a hidden piece o water,
Rowin Foula doon!
Roond da boat da tide-lumps makkin,
Sunlicht trowe da cloods is brakkin;
We maan geng whaar fish is takkin,
Rowin Foula doon!"
It may be helpful to have a footnote for those unfamiliar with the Shetland dialect. Here is a draft 'translation', which those familiar with this tongue than I may wish to correct.
"Out beyond(?) the Horn of Papa,
Rowing Foula down!
Over a hidden piece of water,
Rowing Foula down!
Round the boat the waves(?) are making,
Sunlight through the clouds is breaking;
We must go where fish are taken,
Rowing Foula down!"
Ben MacDui ( talk ) 07:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The above added as a footnote to the article, with amendments from reference (although 'tide-lumps' is not a very common English expression) Ben MacDui (Talk) 21:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
"Bewast" or "Bewest" means "to the west" [1] "Tide-lumps" seem fairly evident, either swells, or choppy water. -- MacRusgail 15:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think there is a direct translation for tide-lumps. Generally a tide lump is like a large wave which rises when the wind and tide are in opposite directions, and can be perhaps 10 times the height of the other waves. But I have experienced tide-lumps the size of houses in otherwise calm conditions with a strong tide running near a headland. Best way to experience them is to take the ferry across Yell Sound when tide and wind are in opposition. ;-)
Shetlander57
15:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks - incorporated. Ben MacDui (Talk) 16:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC) PS Web references are tricky and you will see numerous examples of bad practice for every one of good. I can't say I have completely mastered it myself, but the general idea is that a url, page title, publisher, retrieval date and (if applicable) publication date should be shown. I have fixed the trawlerphotos one you provided.
Makes sense to me, in that rowing 60 miles into the Atlantic seemed to me an unnecessary and dangerous exertion. However, by now you will understand the need to find a reliable published source to verify this. Ben MacDui (Talk) 16:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not able to find a reasonable reference to this, so thought I'd add it to talk in the hope that somebody else can find it.
Dutch Loch, I believe, is so named because of connections with the Hanseatic trade. Dutch actually being a Shetland screw-up of the German Deutz(sp?). This is just something which was told to me by a recent resident of Papa Stour.
Only reference I could find was a partial reference on Shetlopedia, but I think those guys and Wiki aren't on best terms at the moment, so I ignored that.
Shetlander57
01:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Whilst any ill-will that may exist (and their removal of their GFDL licence only hints at this) is regretable, this does not prevent Shetlopedia being a source. Ben MacDui (Talk) 16:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I think there may be a story behind this Dutch Loch thing. What I was told was that the German traders were referred to as Dutchies (From Deutchland sp?). A lot of locals just assume Dutch from Holland. I'll do a bit of digging around in old books and see what I can find. Your Papa Stour page is looking good anyhow, but interesting facts are worth looking for. Re: Shetlopedia as reference, may need to use that, may not. I half know one of the Shetlopedia guys who takes most of their photos, I can't see him falling out with anybody, it would be worth asking him for some photos for Wiki, I'm sure if asked he would say yes as I've seen his photos elsewhere. I have his email address from the last time he did work for me, if you're interested. Afraid Shetlopedia was too much centered on history for me to get involved as that is my worst subject. I think they're a bit of a closed club anyhow ;-) Shetlander57 19:00, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has a Semi automatic Peer Review to peruse to help it achieve GA status. Good luck! SriMesh | talk 02:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
. A request had been made for the Stromness lifeboat from Orkney, only 120 miles away, to launch, but the request was actioned too late to be of help.
Is the word actioned the right word in this case?
Thanks Kathryn - yes it is both a partial quote beginning in lower case and the word 'with' is an introduction, not a link. There is a break in the quote as well, which I omitted to be clear about. I'll fix that too. Ben MacDui (Talk) 09:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
This article is well written, and well researched. It is quite interesting. I believe it mostly meets the Good Article criteria, with a few minor things that should be addressed.
I am not sure if I have achieved what you wanted here. Nor am I sure of exactly what MOS means.
a) I note that WP:GTL says " "Notes" is only for footnotes (explanations or comments on any part of the main text). "References" is only for referenced materials (books, websites etc. cited in the main text). Otherwise "Notes and references" should be combined. " However, any number of Featured Articles have sections called 'Notes' for inline citations and footnotes together, and a separate one called 'References' for general references. This does not seem to be quite what WP:GTL states, but is nevertheless fairly common practice. Haswell-Smith is definitely a 'general reference' that is referred to several times, and not just 'further reading' (implying that the documents so listed are not references).
As an aside I have two featured lists, where the reviewer specifically requested just the structure you have asked to be removed. (Perhaps the lists community interprets the above in a different way.) Anyway, my confusion aside, I hope the issues raised above are now all addressed satisfactorily. Ben MacDui (Talk) 16:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Once these issues are addressed, I believe that the article would meet the GA criteria. I will place it on hold pending revisions. Cheers! Dr. Cash 18:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
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"His younger son, Edwin Lindsay, an Indian army officer, was declared insane after refusing to fight in a duel and was sent to Papa Stour in the Shetland islands. He spent 26 years there as a prisoner before the Quaker preacher Catherine Watson arranged for his release in 1835. [1] [2]" Quote from his father's article [Alexander Lindsay, 6th Earl of Balcarres]]
If Papa Stour was used as a place to keep the insane as prisoners, it should be in the article. I am working on articles connected with the Channel Islands, which is why I make a comment here for an editor interested in this matter. I try not to be distracted by other interesting questions.-- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 20:32, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
In Category Underwater diving sites in Scotland, but no mention in the text. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 14:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)