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I've added info on JI as an anti-pancasila group & info on 1948 civil war that claimed 27000 lives based on the commentary in a newspaper. -- *drew 04:59, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Source number [13] is missing Tigre-samolaco ( talk) 23:58, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
I'm writing a paper on Pancasila as Ideology, role in Nation will post set of references once done. Or a new article altogether-- Trtskh 05:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Why Soekarno adapt the terminology Pancasila? Since Pancasila is also the five pillars of Buddhism. As far as I know, Pancasila of Buddhism isn't very common among Indonesian during pre-Independence era and sanskrit is not a common language among Indonesian. 141.213.240.242 06:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Sanskrit isn't spoken by many Indonesians, but philosophy and culture from the Indian subcontinent have been exported to Indonesia for thousands of years. Hinduism and Buddhism have played a major role in the developemnt of Indonesia culture, so Sukarno was probably wise to appeal to something from the comon heritage that many Indonesians shared when trying to create unity. Gatherton 15:53, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
No... Pancasila in Buddhism is totally different from Pancasila in Indonesia. We, Indonesian, likes to use Sanskrit on philosophical things; such as Dasasila Bandung (10 principles of Asia-Africa Conference), Tritura (3 tuntutan rakyat = 3 demands from people), Bhineka Tunggal Ika (Unity in diversity), and more. The only common thing between Indonesian Pancasila and Buddhism Pancasila is both of them have the same amount of principles: FIVE (=panca). ( Wisnuops ( talk) 17:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC))
In the several articles that Wikipedia has about Indonesia and its history the two differnt spelling of Suharto and Soehatro and Sukarno and Soekarno are used somewhat interchangeably. I suggest picking one and sticking with it throughout the series of articels on Indonesia. Let's discuss whether uniformity is necessary, if so which one do we pick, and if we pick one there sohould be some kind of note somwhere in each article that alerts the reader to the existence of the alternate spelling. Comments? Gatherton 15:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
I vote for using the common denomination in English: Suharto and Sukarno. -- Asterion talk to me 22:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not Hindu but I'm not sure if Hindu in Indonesia can be categorized as polytheism. Although they have trimurti (Brahma - Siva - Vishnu), don't they prefer to mention Sang Hyang Widhi? I think there are other different between Hinduism in India and Indonesia (Bali).
Regardless whether Indonesian Hinduism is a polytheism, the criticism is still apply.
However, there adre claims from some Kepercayaan (literally means "belief" but I prefer to translate it to "Indonesian Traditional Believe") that the original believe in Indonesia is a monotheism, closely to Panentheism. Kunderemp 17:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Was Darul Islam against Pancasila? If I remember correctly, Kartosuwiryo (Darul Islam in West Java) rebelled because they disagree with Renville Agreement while Daud Bereuh (Darul Islam in Aceh) rebelled because Soekarno merged Aceh Province with North Sumatra Province.
I read somewhere, Daud Bereuh as representation of PUSA (Persatuan Ulama Seluruh Aceh / United of Aceh Ulama)decided to join Indonesia in 1945 because the first pillar of Pancasila Kunderemp 17:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Pancasila was onces referred in Piagam Jakarta. In piagam Jakarta, the first pillar is more than just "Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa". The next words are about obligations to practice Sharia. That's why the demand from some radical moslem organization still continue to change the Pancasila back to what it was written in Piagam Jakarta. ( Wisnuops ( talk) 17:57, 8 December 2009 (UTC))
" Pancasila, (pronounced /pæntʃæˈsiːlæ/) ... " What notation is that? Is 'æ' read as 'e'? Kunderemp 17:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Both Allah and Tuhan means God. The different is, Allah was usually identified to Muslim (and Christian) while Tuhan is a more general term and accepted by all Indonesian. Kunderemp 18:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Where does the article title "Pancasila Indonesia" come from? All the sources seem to just refer to it as just "Pancasila". Perhaps a move to Pancasila (politics) would be in order?— Nat Krause( Talk!) 02:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Indonesia's Pancasila uses Garuda as its symbol. I heard that there are some meanings proposed by the symbol itself. As far as I know, the number of feathers of Garuda represents the date of the declaration of Indonesian Independence (17 August 1945): - The number of feathers for each wings is 17 - The number of feathers for tail is 8 - The number of feathers below the guard is 19 - The number of feathers for neck is 45
Is there any other meaning proposed by the symbol? especially for the five pictures on the guard. Celcius Chan 07:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
well, the star is for God, the rice & cotton are for prosperity, the chain is for unity, the tree is for justice & the bull-head I forgot....
The article introduction states a number of opposites, e.g. internationalism vs. cosmopolitanism, or nationalism vs. chauvinism. But it never states what the difference between these terms is, in the context of Pancasila. I'm going to remove them; if someone wants to explain them properly, feel free to put them back in. -- SJK ( talk) 17:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Something terrible seems to have gradually happened to this article. It seems to have slowly involved into a New-Orderish deep analysis of what is a formulation of a few dozen words. For example, why is there an entire section called "Philosophies of Pancasila"? Given that the introduction states that Pancasila is "the official philosophical foundation of the Indonesian state", then the section in question is about "philosophies of a philosophical foundation". And what is the section on "Development" all about, given that about the only changes were made between Sukarno's speech on 1 June 1945 and the finalization of the Constitution. Since then it hasn't changed, or er... developed. It seems to me that a more sensible organization of the article would be History - The five principles - Implementation (to include Sukarno's and Suharto's ways of ignoring or abusing Pancasila). I plan to be bold in the next few days, but thought I'd float my ideas on the talk page before going ahead. Any thoughts anyone? Davidelit ( talk) 16:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
"Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa" is translated as "Belief in one and only god". I think it's mistranslated. "Belief in one and only god" in Bahasa Indonesia is "PERCAYA kepada Tuhan Yang Maha Esa".
Tuhan is God. Ketuhanan is the adjective form of God.
I suggest this phrase to be re-translated. What is the adjective form of God in English? ( Wisnuops ( talk) 17:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC))
In some districts, government computers are programmed to only allow the "original" 5 religions on the KTP and KK, even though the paper forms for obtaining these ID documents have coded numbers for Confucianism and Lain-Lain as options for religion. Is there a way to mention this issue in the article? Anybody seen news articles or NGO reports that describe it authoritatively? Martindo ( talk) 04:50, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
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This section seems to be a bit of a mess. It's been tagged for non-neutrality since 2013, is littered with who? tags, the few references don't support the idea that any criticism of Pancasila warrants this much text and there is a whiff of WP:OR. There is no criticism of Pancasila in Indonesia (partly because it's illegal to do so) or outside (because nobody cares?). I think it would be best to drastically cut or simply delete the entire section, but I wanted to know if anybody had any objections. Please comment if you do. Regards Davidelit (Talk) 08:01, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
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I think Pancasila is a big tent ideology as it has socialist, nationalist and multicultarilistic (both liberal and socialist) values. But is it truly a big tent ideology? ChineseKid676 ( talk) 12:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Ketuhanan yang Maha Esa (Belief in One creator) not god but creator Kemanusiaan yang adil dan beradab (Just and civilized humanity) justice and ... Persatuan Indonesia (The unity of Indonesia) one nation with one principle Kerakyatan yang dipimpin oleh hikmat kebijaksanaan dalam permusyawaratan/perwakilan (Democracy guided by the inner wisdom in the unanimity arising out of deliberations among representatives) democracy with the people or society as one and unity to socialize with one ... Keadilan sosial bagi seluruh rakyat Indonesia (Social justice for all of the people of Indonesia)
maaf bila lancang namun sila ke satu dan dua bahasanya untuk inggris salah mohon maaf sebelumnya QuaMbear ( talk) 14:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
@ QuaMbear: I've added some notes explaining it is an imprecise translation for the first sila, from an article from Constitutional Court (MK). You can check ,though i will not change the translation, as it is sadly most often used. Envapid ( talk) 01:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)