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One thing missing is the wine making of the German colonies, which was quite famous in the late Ottoman and British periods.
Zerotalk02:00, 2 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Independent of the merger proposal, I think this article should be renamed. Considering that we use Palestinian Region to discuss the historical aspect, I think we should use something along this line. When people use Palestine, they use modern day Palestine. When we link on Wikipedia to Palestinian area, we link to Palestine (region) so this is what the article name should be, otherwise it is in my opinion a POV article name, which should be fairly obvious since it was written by Chesdovi who readily admits to it.
Sir Joseph(talk)06:40, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Silly proposal. Which other wine article has such a title? SJ's concern about the word Palestine is simply not justified. The usage here matches the most common usage of reliable sources.
Zerotalk10:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
It's a historic region. The 1948 separation of Palestine and Israel did happen. I'm not sure it would be best to label Taybeh wine as wine of the Palestine (region). Perhaps we should look into renaming the subsections instead.
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21:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Nothing artificial about it.
Israeli wine could be a section here, but it is better as a separate article. The possibility of merging was discussed at length in the delete discussion and not accepted. There is no case for having the same argument all over again so soon.
Zerotalk06:27, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
As you see, that discussion did not put to rest the concerns of some editors. It took place at Afd, so was mainly about deletion, not so much about merging. There is therefore ample reason to consider merging now.
Debresser (
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07:53, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Zero, if that is the problem, then I will be happy to work with you on improving that article in that it should reflect the various names of the area over history.
Debresser (
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10:44, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
How about instead we split off all the Historic information in both articles off in to a separate article Wine of historic Palestine. Limiting all mention in the Israeli wine and Palestinian wine to necessary inclusion where a winery exists in modern day?
-Serialjoepsycho- (
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22:01, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I like the proposal, but I doubt the term "historic Palestine" is workable, in view of the fact that there have been many names for this region. Which is why I proposed "Palestine (region)".
Debresser (
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21:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I forgot what you named it above, I was actually shooting for that. Basically instead of fighting to give to give this precedence to either Modern Israel or Palestine, give it to neither. It's history that correlates to but exists before both modern entities.
-Serialjoepsycho- (
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01:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
I believe the argument was that this somehow delegitimizes Israel. Never the less, forget about precedence. The meat of the actual argument is that modern Palestine and Israel (post-1948) are separate and uniquely different from the (pre-1948)
Palestine (region). And yet still there is a shared history.
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04:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)reply
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Rating for project palestine
Why is my edit for Project Palestine being repeatedly reverted? As per the discussion on the Project Palestine talk page at
WT:PALESTINE#Palestinian wine, this article falls within the scope of the project, and its importance rating is purely a technical matter for the editors contributing to that project. It really means nothing to editors interested in this page alone, all it meaningfully changes is our table of article quality.
TrickyH (
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14:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)reply
The rating is being reverted for the reasons that are being discussed in the discussion you linked to, so please refrain from forumshopping here.
Debresser (
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15:25, 7 April 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete out of shame, please
Or change either the name, or the content.
"Palestine region" is the Wiki convention for historical purposes. Fought over a million times.
"Palestine", "Palestinians" is the Wiki convention for modern issues re. Arabs in this region, timewise: as soon as something like national identity emerges.
So the topic is either "Winemaking in the Palestine region" and goes back millennia, or "Palestinian wine" and should cover winemaking in the West Bank (or does Gaza deserve a mention?) since 1948 or 67, and certainly not beyond the 19th century.
For the latter, Hebron and Cremisan would come to mind etc. But it would be just a side page (what's the term?) for the former.
Israel wine would also be a side page to "Winemaking in the Palestine region", of course. Yesterday I've started
Gaza wine (Byzantine period), also a side page.
An encyclopedia is not like planting your flag on the moon, that was the ways of the empires ("I came first and took possession in the name of His Majesty, King Mineisthebest"), not of knowledge and encyclopedias. Activists of all nations, go home! Take a nap. A long one.
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12:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)reply