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I'm confused. Assuming this is the same suspended CFL franchise ( Ottawa Renegades), shouldn't these 2 articles be merged? GoodDay ( talk) 15:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
is it Redblacks or RedBlacks? Smith03 ( talk) 19:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I agree. Most media refer to the team as the RedBlacks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:FFC0:1F6:591E:519E:B729:0 ( talk) 15:51, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
An anon has just altered the team's name to REDBLACKS, which is supported by the CFL website. Looks like a title adjustment would be in order. Taroaldo ✉ 22:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I was thinking along the same lines as you. Perhaps Wikipedia could black out the redblacks' page in protest (JUST KIDDING!!) They are getting a lot of hype, but it might end up being more of the glieberman kind, which might not bode well for them. The NHL commish rejected the Senators' original logo (which wasn't bad); the CFL should have given this name some sober second thought, if only to make Wikipedia editors' lives a bit easier! Taroaldo ✉ 23:45, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
It should be moved back to "Ottawa RedBlacks" as that is what most media seem to call the team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:FFC0:1F6:591E:519E:B729:0 ( talk) 15:41, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
It should be Redblacks. I don't know why there are people in the media who capitalize the "b", when the team itself does not do this. It is one word: why capitalize a letter in the middle of it just because some websites are doing it for no reason at all? Let's not perpetuate the error. Besides, there are lots of places that spell it Redblacks, not least the official CFL Shop(hover over "SHOP BY TEAM" to see what I'm talking about). We should change it to Redblacks. Detacid ( talk) 16:43, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Adding to my comment above, I just reviewed the MOS and it says that "the initial letter of a title is capitalized (except in rare cases, such as eBay), but otherwise, capital letters are used only where they would be used in a normal sentence". Okay. So why are we capitalizing the "b"?? Detacid ( talk) 17:01, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Final addendum: in addition to the official CFL Shop spelling it Redblacks, I have discovered that the Canadian Press sports desk also spells it Redblacks. Why more newspapers aren't taking their cue from the CP sports desk is a mystery to me, but plenty of folks are: see examples at The Ottawa Sun, The Winnipeg Free Press, The Calgary Herald, and Yahoo Sports. Besides that, *every* instance of the use of CamelCase trade names in recent decades has been *deliberately* done by the owner of the name. In the case of the Redblacks, Jeff Hunt and team have *not* specified CamelCase, so we should simply write it as Redblacks. I will make changes to the page. Detacid ( talk) 06:33, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 22:38, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Ottawa RedBlacks → Ottawa Redblacks – There is no basis for using CamelCase in the Redblacks name. Historically, when CamelCase is used in corporate trade names it is always done deliberately by the owner of the name, but that has not happened in this instance. The team has stylized the name in all caps, and not in CamelCase. The use of CamelCase in the media is frequent but not universal: in particular, both the official CFL Shop and the Canadian Press sports desk -- upon which many sports outlets base their own style -- spell the name in sentence case as Redblacks. --Relisted. — Amakuru ( talk) 17:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC) Detacid ( talk) 08:18, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't have a chance to respond to some of these objections before the discussion was closed. But I see no evidence for ONR's assertion that the "common name" is RedBlacks. I do agree with Amakuru there is a range of spellings being used. Also agree with BilCat that REDBLACKS is the owners' intent; however, it is already established that this article cannot be named REDBLACKS, and several members of the media steadfastly refuse to use all-caps (there are many examples for this). I don't expect the all-caps will ever catch on because it "looks" like shouting. Finally, I strongly disagree with Bilcat's assertion that most Redblacks logos have two colors. Look at the official CFL shop for tee-shirts or for hats and you will see that *every* logo is monochromatic.
The *only* basis for CamelCase is that a significant portion of the media is using it. But they themselves have no basis for doing this! Detacid ( talk) 08:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Are the Rough Riders, the Renegades and the RedBlacks considered to be a single entity under three different names or are they three separate teams that have represented the same city? -- Khajidha ( talk) 14:06, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
To be honest I think the Ottawa Rough Riders, Renegades and RedBlacks should be considered one entity. The same Ottawa fans that cheered on the Ottawa Rough Riders in yesteryear for their 9 Grey Cups are still related to the majority of fans of this generation that now sit in Ottawa's new TD Field. If the current Ottawa CFL team cuts all ties to its former teams it's almost as if our Grandmas and Grandpas cheered for the Rough Riders in the 1950's to 1990's era for no reason. Therefore I think this Wikipedia RedBlacks site should include the total of 9 Grey Cups from all professional eras. Certainly Ottawa RedBlack's TD Field is advertising all 9 Ottawa Grey Cups from yesteryear and for good reason. The Canadian Tire place is also not shy about advertising its historical 11 Ottawa Senators Stanley Cup banners from its rafters from 90 years ago. I think both the Ottawa RedBlacks and Ottawa Senators Wikipedia sites should include all Grey and Stanley Cups from all historical Ottawa professional teams. Mainly because the idea is fun for Ottawa in general but also it ties all generations together in a good way. Kent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.157.112.54 ( talk) 03:12, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
MOS:TM clearly states that article titles are not to use all-caps just because the subject of the article is styled/trademarked as all-caps, so REDBLACKS is not an option. Regarding CamelCase, it states that it may be used where it reflects general usage – CFL.ca uses REDBLACKS, but its forums style the name as RedBlacks, indicating that the "official" team name uses CamelCase when lowercase letters are required. WP:ON states that unofficial names can be used over official ones if they are more recognisable to readers, but RedBlacks and Redblacks are equally recognisable, and in any case we shouldn't be pointing at WP:ON to settle a capitalisation dispute. Therefore, I support keeping RedBlacks until further notice. O N R (talk) 04:56, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
I have noted that the main argument for keeping the name of the team as the "RedBlacks" is that most of the media uses that CamelCase with spelling the name. I will say that previously this was correct. However, this is no longer true as the majority of the media now uses the "Redblacks" spelling. A quick survey of articles written around the time of the team's first regular season game on July 4, 2014 shows this:
Although there were more that used the "Redblacks" spelling, they would often be using the Canadian Press article mentioned above. The only news organization I could find that was still using the CamelCase was the Ottawa Sun ( Tim Baines). Therefore, as the main (and perhaps only) reason to keep the name as "RedBlacks" has disappeared, I suggestion we change the name of the article to "Ottawa Redblacks". Gmwikipedier ( talk) 17:25, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:35, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Ottawa RedBlacks → Ottawa Redblacks – As mentioned in the previous section that I wrote in this talk section ("Majorty of the media has stopped using CamelCase, time to switch the name to "Redblacks""), the majority of the media (including CBC ( [2]), TSN ( [3] , [4]), CTV Ottawa ( [5]), Ottawa Citizen ( [6], [7]), Toronto Star ( [8]), Winnipeg Free Press ( [9])) now spell the team's name without CamelCase. The only remaining media source that still uses CamelCasing is the Ottawa Sun ( [10]). The media's previous capitalization of the "B" was really the only justification that the "RedBlacks" stylization was the common one. Now that the media is using the "Redblacks" stylization, it now should be considered the common stylization. This is coupled with, as pointed out before, the fact that the CFL store uses the "Redblacks" stylization ( [11]). As already mentioned, using the team's parent company's stylization of "REDBLACKS" would contradict Wikipedia's guidelines and should not be used ( [12]). Therefore, I believe that the name of this article should be switched from "Ottawa RedBlacks" to "Ottawa Redblacks". Gmwikipedier ( talk) 20:21, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
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Although the article discusses the choosing of the name, it doesn't mention what it means. So I'll ask a silly question....what's a Redblack? Does it mean something besides the team colors? Elsquared ( talk) 08:36, 16 September 2017 (UTC)