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Every date in this article is wikilinked. Is this really necessary? -- 81.66.138.25 16:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
This article would really be enhanced greatly by the inclusion of map or maps to show the route(s) of the service. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.130.69.200 ( talk • contribs) 06:53, October 4, 2006.
This paragraph mentions that the treaty of Saint-Germain forced Austria to accept the train, which obviously did not run through Vienna. However, did it pass through Austria at all? It is not mentioned in the text. It should be the case, otherwise the clause in the treaty would be useless, however a train running through Milan, Venice and Triest does not pass the new Austrian territory after World War One. - 84.114.147.101 13:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
"Direct Orient Express" and "Homonym" sections have redundant information. I would suggest leaving the end of the Direct Orient Express as the end of that section, and then note that a service called the Orient Express continues, in the next section, with all the info. Also, I wouldn't title the section "Homonym", but perhaps something like "The Orient Express Today".
"One interesting feature of the current Orient Express train is its heterogeneous assembly of rolling material coming from France, Germany, Austria, and previously, Hungary and Romania, which allowed people to easily compare the choices of these countries and to choose the one that suited one most. Of course, the sleeping car and the wagon-restaurant previously belonging to the Compagnie Internationale de Wagons-Lits are sometimes there too."
As you can see in the German version of the article, the Orient Express consists of ÖBB cars only, although there are come CNL through carriages from Dortmund to Vienna, also the dining car comes from Dortmund and not from Strasbourg. The sleeping cars do not belong to the CIWL, the CIWL only provides services in those cars. Could somebody who understands German well correct the English version?
88.117.72.207 10:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I saw from this website that the Orient Express had also made a trip to Hong Kong in 1988. I think we should include the trip in this article. [1] 69.255.197.173 ( talk) 23:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
In 1988 Nostalgie Istanbul Orient Express(NIOE) trip to Hong Kong and Japan. January 7 1989 NIOE left Japan.-- Ngauger ( talk) 14:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
sorry only in French & Dutch, but most of the information from 'Wagons-Lits' and briefly mentioned in the Guiness Book.
"Si le coeur vous en disait, et si vous ne redoutiez pas un voyage à toute vapeur de 2 000 km, nous serions heureux de vous voir vous joindre à nous...
Nous partons de Paris mardi 10 octobre nous serons à Vienne mercredi soir...".
C'est en ces termes que Georges Nagelmackers, en 1882, convia ses invités à un trajet inaugural.
http://www.wagons-lits.com/pullman_orient_express.html
..’preview’ in de vorm van een traject Parijs-Wenen-Parijs, dat zal worden afgelegd door de zogenaamde ‘Train Eclair de luxe’.
..vertrekken op dinsdag 10 oktober om 18:40 vanuit Parijs (Gare de Strasbourg)..
..De ‘bliksemtrein’ bestaat uit drie drieassige slaapwagens met elk 14 plaatsen en één rijtuig met 16 plaatsen dat de voorloper is van de rijtuigen op draaistellen die pas zo’n twintig jaar later in gebruik zullen komen.
(samenstelling volgens plan blz 176: 1: fourgon, 2: slaapwagen 16 plaatsen, 3: slaapwagen 14 plaatsen, 4: restaurantrijtuig nr. 107, 5: slaapwagen 14 plaatsen, 6. slaapwagen 14 plaatsen, 7. fourgon = 101 ton)
Boek: De Oriënt-Express - Reis naar Constantinopel -
ISBN
90-5325-081-6 - Wettelijk Depot D/1997/5890/21, blz 136 & 176
Op 10 oktober 1882 om 18:31 vertrekt de trein in de Gare de Strasbourg met bestemming Wenen.
.. ’s anderendaags 11 oktober om 23:20 stoomt de trein het station van Wenen binnen.
..De terugreis naar Parijs is gepland op vrijdag 13 oktober om 16:40. Ondanks alle bijgeloof zet de ‘Train Eclair’ een opmerkelijke prestatie neer, want op zaterdag 14 oktober komt hij zoals gepland aan in Parijs en om 20:00 rijdt hij binnen in de Gare de Strasbourg.
..1e menu aan boord (10/10/1882): oesters, soep met Italiaanse deegwaren, tarbot met groene saus, kip ‘à la chasseur’, rundsfilet met châteauaardappelen, chaud-froid van wild, salade, chocoladepudding en dessertbuffet.
Boek: De Oriënt-Express - Reis naar Constantinopel -
ISBN
90-5325-081-6 - Wettelijk Depot D/1997/5890/21, blz 138
1882 - Train Eclair, Parijs - Wenen, proefritten op 10 en 13 oktober.
Boek: Het Groot Guinness Treinen Boek (bijgewerkt tot 1982) -
ISBN
90-245-0751-0, blz 164
Wdew ( talk) 13:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Le 5 juin 1883, le train Express d'Orient est créé entre Paris et Vienne.
Il est composé de deux fourgons dont l'un est réservé au service postal, d'une voiture-restaurant et d'au moins deux voitures-lits.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/roland.arzul/wl/orientexpress.htm
L'Orient Express
Le 5 juin 1883, le train Express d'Orient est créé entre Paris et Vienne.
Il est composé de deux fourgons dont l'un est réservé au service postal, d'une voiture-restaurant et d'au moins deux voitures-lits.
A partir d'octobre de la mème année, le service est prolongé Paris, Strasbourg, Vienne, Budabest, Bucarest- Giurgiu.
Après une traversée du Danube en bateau, train autrichien de Rustchuk à Varna, où les passagers embarquent à bord du navire "Espero" pour Constantinople.
Le voyage dure 4 jours.
En 1884, la liaison Paris-Budabest est quotidienne.
En 1889, la liaison est assurée entièrement par rail jusqu'à Constantinople, en 67 heures et 35 minutes.
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/roland.arzul/wl/orientexpress.htm
1883-5-6 inauguration du Train-Express-Orient que l'on appellera Orient-Express.
http://www.quid.fr/2000/Q042850.htm
Inauguration, le 05/06/1883, de l' "Orient - Express", premier train de luxe international (en EU).
http://christophe.lachenal.free.fr/francais/education/fr_education_historique.html
1883 - Oriënt Express, 5 juni: Parijs - Giurgewo; 4 oktober officiële openingsrit; 1884: doorgaand naar Nis; 1889: naar Constantinopel.
Boek: Het Groot Guinness Treinen Boek (bijgewerkt tot 1982) -
ISBN
90-245-0751-0, blz 164
Am 5. Juni 1883 startete mit dem Orient-Express der erste Luxuszug zwischen Paris und Wien und ab dem 9. Mai 1896 der Nord-Express von Paris nach St. Petersburg. Diese Schnellzüge führten nur die erste Wagenklasse, konnten nur gegen hohe Zuschläge benutzt werden und standen damit nur einem kleinen Kreis von Nutzern zur Verfügung.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Zug
Wdew ( talk) 13:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
1er juin 1889 : départ du premier Orient-Express circulant sans transbordement de Paris à Constantinople par l'itinéraire de Budapest-Belgrade-Sofia
http://www.laviedurail.com/culturerail/histoire/panorama/pan_voies.php?SID=2004063002383644C11D98
le 1er juin 1889 " l'Orient-Express " circula sans transbordement de Paris à Constantinople, sa marche accusant une diminution de durée de trajet de 14 heures (durée totale : 67h35)
http://www.laviedurail.com/culturerail/histoire/panorama/pan_orientexp.php?SID=2005082203383555BBCB17
1889-1-6 la voie Belgrade-Nish-Sofia-Constantinople ayant été achevée, le voyage se fait entièrement par fer de Paris à Constantinople : 3 186 km en 67 h 35.
http://www.quid.fr/2000/Q042850.htm
The first through train between Vienna and Istanbul ran on August 12, 1888. Through running of the Orient Express between Paris and Istanbul started on June 1, 1889.
http://www.gregoriou.itgo.com/photo2.html
De eerste reizigerstrein die Turkijë binnenreed (onjuist) was de beroemde 'Oriënt Express' die op 1 juni 1889 doorgaand van Parijs tot Constantinopel kon rijden.
Boek: Het Groot Guinness Treinen Boek (bijgewerkt tot 1982) -
ISBN
90-245-0751-0, blz 178-179
1889: The line is completed, and direct Paris-Constantinople operation starts in June 1889. The Orient Express leaves Paris (Gare de Strasbourg, now renamed Gare de l'Est) every night at 18:25. It has daily sleepers for Vienna, twice-weekly sleepers on Sundays & Wednesdays for Constantinople, and twice-weekly sleepers on Monday & Friday for Bucharest. Arrival in Constantinople was at 16:00, 3 nights (67.5 hours) from Paris.
http://www.seat61.com/OrientExpress.htm
1889, Europe's Orient Express completes arrangements for travel between Paris and Constantinople without change of train. The first through train leaves the Gare de l'Est June 1 and arrives at Constantinople in 67 hours, 35 minutes - more than 13 hours faster than in 1883 but 7½ hours slower than the time that will be standard within 10 years.
http://www.answers.com/topic/1889
Wdew ( talk) 13:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to discuss, list or at least mention the locomotives that had the most extensive service records on this line? I mean by class of locomotive of course (as opposed to any one specific locomotive)... However, I don't actually have alot of infomation about what locomotives were used on this line, so someone else would have to input this idea if accepted... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vor'Cha ( talk • contribs) 15:33, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
first of all, please forgive me my bad english - I try my best to express my question ;-(
I have a little problem with the date and route of the last ride.
Here in the Article it is mentioned, the 14th of Dec (this was a Monday). The Source NPR says: on 14th the Train disapear - so I guess the last ride was on Sunday 13th, Dec (who will take a last famous ride when he have a Sunday before? Or disapear the last ride while drive? I don't think so)
The other thing is the Route - the Source say: Steves points out that there are actually two Orient Expresses...and takes people from London to Venice. It's the other Orient Express that's taking its final trip. (oh man, I love things like this).
But nowhere in the Article it is mentioned wich Route the last ride was. Next quote: "The historic Orient Express — that's the one that was established back in the 1880s — that took you from Paris or London to Istanbul," he says.. erm... the last Ride cannot go from Paris or London. Do anybody knows now the two last Stations? The goal was Istanbul, I guess - but was the Start in Paris or London? Thanks in advice -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 20:40, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
The 07x23 episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, called "Emergence," takes place on a holodeck Orient Express. This should be added to the TV section. Nahum ( talk) 06:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
This article is in today's "On this day..." on the front page and the teaser says that it was known for its "intrigue and luxury", both of which are not detailed well in the article. What sort of intrigue happened on the train? What luxury accomodations were available on this train and not on others? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.103.84.36 ( talk) 13:19, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
It would be nice to know how long the routes were and how long the journey's took. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.228.242.84 ( talk) 10:50, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Accor has announced that in partnership with SNCF that they are bringing back the Orient Express, should a new article be created or should it be added in here as it is a relaunch of the brand? Jaedenediting ( talk) 00:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to tag a user but it think this is how Oknazevad but anyways that's not the point but Oknazevad seems to believe that the Orient Express revival by Accor & SNCF is not bringing back the original train/brand so I would like to clear it up for them and any other users. SNCF owns the rights to the Orient Express explained well in these pages by Luxury Train Club [1] [2] along with this the SNCF website has its own section for the service [3] In 2017 Accor bought half of the Orient Express brand from SNCF originally to launch a chain of hotels but it transited into hotels & relaunch the service [4] (mainly the first paragraph), something also that may confuse some people is the La Dolce Vita branding which is a different service around Italy ran by Orient Express (SNCF/Accor) under the branding of Orient Express La Dolce Vita. Another source below confirms that this is indeed a return of the original Orient Express service & clear up confusion [5] "Belmond has a one-off licensing deal to use the Orient Express name on its Venice Simplon train, Franklin confirmed, while Accor has the rights to the brand as a whole." this confirms that this isn't any old licensed service but indeed the return of the original brand. Another thing that causes confusion is that the hotels were originally planned to be licensed before Accor actually bought part of the brand. I hope this clears up any confusion! (also this is my first time using the source page so sorry if there are any mistakes!) Jaedenediting ( talk) 08:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)Jaedenediting
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