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For British topics we generally don't abbreviate the "." after the "St". Should we move this back to the periodless version? john 22:54, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Please do so if you want. I only moved the topic to ensure that a duplication could be avoided, unfortunately some people don't check for alternatives before creating articles. Please change the article in any other way if neccessary, certainly the msg table puts the article in a more comprehensive context. Djegan 23:21. 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I know this thing has come up before on wikipedia, but I don't know anyone who uses British English or Hiberno-English who doesn't put a period after St. The last time this came up I went through a host of British and Irish newspapers to check and 70% used a period. FearÉIREANN 19:57, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
When the order was created there was no political difference between Northern Ireland and the remaining 26 counties; is there any particular reason why peers from Northern Ireland couldn't still be admitted to the order? Is there some other order of knights they're admitted to instead? Angr/ talk 06:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
I was just thinking that. The poor Welsh don't get a 'most illustrious' order.
I suspect the reason why the Northern Ireland government (between 1921 and 1972) did not make nominations to the Order, or suggest its revival, was that the Order had a high ranking in the Order of Precedence. To make widespread nominations to the Order would not have paralleled the practice in Scotland, for example, where most Scottish recipients of awards do not receive the Order of the Thistle. JAJ ( talk) 03:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
What order are those from Northern Ireland admitted to, if this one is no longer used?
70.88.213.74 ( talk) 21:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I hate to sound like a dumb American, but it took me a bit to figure out why the Order has not received any new members. I admit freely this stems from most Americans having a very tenuous grasp on how the Commonwealth works and how Royalty ties in. I am not asking for a complete dumbing down to accommodate our ignorance, but maybe a quick reference in the opening paragraph like (and sorry in advance for the poor quality, uneducated example):
"The regular creation of knighthoods of St Patrick lasted until 1922, when most of Ireland became independent as the Irish Free State thus mandating further separation from the British Crown.
Such an explanation is just an audience thing and may not be in the best interests of the article as a whole to include.
Overall, a very interesting and well written article! I will be checking out the other links to see if I can further my education on the subject.
Thank you for reading my sadly under- educated thoughts! Thepearl 15:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)thepearl
Attempting to take the two sections above as one (i am not an expert but can perhaps offer an explaination); the Constitution of the Irish Free State, Article 5, states;
This was the basic law of the state from 1922 to 1937 and the Constitution of Ireland essentially restated it in similar terms in 1937. Essentially since 1922 it has always being the policy (of the Irish government and law) that an Irish citizen may not recieve a title of honour from the state, and may only recieve a title of honour from another country with the prior approval of the government. The order largely when into abeyance in 1922. The Encyclopaedia of Ireland states that in 1927 the Attorney-General of the Irish Free State determined that the order was purely a matter for the Irish government to determine entry to, as an Irish order, and whilst the British government did not agree with this determination no success at reviving it occured after. Djegan 20:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
This wave of recent vandalism makes it tempting to even step things up to protect for the day. -- Zanimum 19:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
The Netherlands and Luxemburg share an order of knighthood! The Order of the Golden Lion of Nassau has since 1905 been the senior order of merit in Luxemburg and a house-order in the Netherlands. It has two grand-masters. It shows that sharing an order is possible! Will the Order of St. Patrick be restored as a shared decoration ? I hope so. Robert Prummel 18:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
In the first illustration it is suggested that the ribbin is violet! But it was not, it was sky blue. It is an excellent article but I nominate this single picture for removal. Robert Prummel 02:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
To me the illustration in Wikipedia looks perfectly purple! The insignia on the other hand are correct... I can live with the presentcaption though. Greetings from the Netherlands, Robert Prummel 16:12, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
In 1780 a Dublin drinking club was set up using the same name; I can't say how long it lasted, for several decades anyway. Its members were mostly liberal lawyers. Its most eminent member was John Philpot Curran. Red Hurley 21:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
According to Edward VIII of the United Kingdom#Honours:
This implies that his KP merged into the crown in January 1936 and had to be created anew after he abdicated - was this the case or did it survive intact? Timrollpickering ( talk) 23:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
How would the motto "Quis Separabit" be expressed in Irish? I've seen it rendered in english by (1) 'Who would separate (us)' [reference to scripture] and 'United we Stand' [regimental]. My question speaks to the former. Robplatou1 ( talk) 23:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I am concerned that this article no longer meets the feature article criteria. I have outlined some of my concerns below:
Is anyone interested in bringing this article to FA standards? Z1720 ( talk) 16:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)