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The title of this article is not neutral, it is in fact propaganda. Añoranza 12:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Why? You have something against football? This is just absurd. This was the most common name for it because, gasp, it's the most accurate way to refer to it. What would you prefer? [[U.S. bombing and interdiction campaing against North Vietnam (1972). Should we rename the Easter Offensive to March 1972 attempted North Vietnamese invasion of South Vietnam? Let's not be daft. -- Mmx1 15:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
whoops, sorry about that; got bit by the google/firefox thing. Uninstalling the former now.... eck. -- Mmx1 16:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The argument is absurd. The whole point of an encyclopedia is to enable the user to find information on a topic--how can re-naming this article do anything to help this? The point of its title is that there are scores of books and articles out there that make reference to an operation named "Linebacker" and this article provides an easy-to-locate means to the information. You twice make the allegation of "propaganda" but fail to make even the slightest point in how so. Your "campaign" seems to be either an ego-trip or political, whereas the article, including its name, is neither.--Buckboard 07:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)==Loss figures==
The figures quoted as of this date are demonstrably wrong, even if sourced. Please re-check your sources for time frame, services, etc. The figure "52" is not supported by the figures quoted, which add up to 38. The idea that Freedom Train had more losses than Linebacker is patently absurd, and the figure of 17 air-to-air losses during Freedom train is also way off base (one, a Navy F-4B, is the actual figure for April). Also, there were 11 MiGs shot down air-to-air on May 10 alone, documented by many, many sources and by this very article--so we are to believe that there were only 8 more between then and October 23? Ritchie-Debellevue had 4 after May 10, DeBellevue-Madden 2 more, and Feinstein 4 more--that's 10 right there. Both Francillon and Rasimus list US aircraft lost by type, serial/bureau number, crew names, method of loss, and date. I will check my original numbers posted against them and revert unless somebody can show why the numbers in place now should be used. The total loss figure is actually higher than shown.--Buckboard 11:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Just curious concerning the facts gleaned from Tilford's work. What exactly do find contradictory or contrary to fact (as you accept them) in the quotes from his work in this article? The only move from straight fact was his positive opinion that the AF had moved to a more modern phase, is that out of line? RM Gillespie 12:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Have reverted all instances of references to NVA and NVN from the article. There is not and never has been a nation named North Vietnam. There is not and never was a military force named the North Vietnamese Army. Both are western constructions and since we are striving for historical accuracy (see above) I believe we should use the titles prefferred by each belligerant power. Also removed reference to Communist China when it was already refferred to as the People's Republic and another reference to "Red" China. RM Gillespie 15:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
It may prove difficult to re-title all of the history books, newspapers, and magazines, not to mention the recorded voices of President Nixon, his staff, Huntley/Brinkley TV reporters, and Walter Cronkite TV reporter and all of the Vietnam Veteran's usage of the terms North Vietnam, North Vietnamese Army, and Viet Cong, etc. Those are the historically accurate terms used, as recorded by history (noted above). During the cold war, Taiwan (also then sometimes called Formosa) was desperately trying to be recognized by the US, so to maintain friendly relations the US would term mainland China, as Red China or Communist China. These terms are historically correct. REFERENCE BOOKS ARE LABELED UNDER THOSE HEADINGS.
Have you ever seen a book titled "War over the DRV"?
The cold war is over. The 20th century is over. So now we can call North Vietnam the DRV.
Now, what do we do about those 20th century REFERENCE books? Example:
Van Staaveren, Jacob: "Gradual Failure: The Air War Over North Vietnam, 1965-1966; Washington D.C., Air Force History and Museums Programs, 2002.
This article is written from the perspective of the US. For example there is a lack of info on the DRV politics and mention of DRV players (or notable pilots, whereas notable US pilots are given a lot of attention). I know this may be due to the ease of finding info on US pilots and politics in english, but it would be nice if it could be somehow be made less US-centric. There has to be SOME information on DRV politicians and players. User:Brentt 20:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Just dropping by this article. In the info box it states that there were 104 american air combat losses out 134 shot down. In the article it becomes clear that 104 were lost in combat, the other 30 due to non-combat losses. Of the 104 only 24(+7 induced) were due to air to air combat. Do I understand this correctly and if so, should the info box be clarified? Bas van Leeuwen ( talk) 20:55, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
I propose that Battle of Haiphong Harbor be merged into Operation Linebacker. I think that the content in the BOHH article, involving a 15-30 minute skirmish in the context of the larger operation can easily be explained in the context of OL, and the OL article is of a reasonable size that the merging of BOHHF into it will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Fladrif ( talk) 02:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
So many errors, so little time. Here are a few...
Shrike Missiles were airborne missiles, not ship launched, and the only missiles the Rowan carried were short range anti-submarine missiles called ASROCs.
It was highly unlikely that there were Redeye missiles aboard as well. Not standard issue. If they were on board they would have been manned by Gunners Mates, not Signalmen. Their use in combat which involved friendly aircraft was not advisable in any case.
Was on same class of ship as Rowan off coast of South Vietnam and North Vietnam in the Gulf of Tonkin. Jeff4 ( talk) 18:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Moved by Fladrif ( talk) 21:53, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
G'day all, as part of a quick review of old Milhist A-class articles, I have noticed that this article currently doesn't meet the project's referencing requirements for its A-class articles. As such, I have marked these in the places where I think they are needed. I also think that the US air order of battle section needs references. Is anyone able to add references in these places? If not, I intend to nominate the article for an A-class re-appraisal. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 07:18, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
The portion describing Adm. Jim Holloway's request for air support during the Haiphong bombardment mentions planes from USS Coral Sea. But in his memoir he wrote that he communicated with "Raven 44" which most likely was an Attack Squadron 93 flight off USS Midway. Though the squadron was known as the Blue Blazers, the radio callsign was Raven.
<ref> http://uss-newport-news.com/hist/operation_lions_den.pdf <ref>
Curly2004 ( talk) 01:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC) Curly
It has been said in a number of credible sources, including Ethell and Price, that this aircraft was finally downed by a SAM. In his book MiG-21 Units of the Vietnam War, Istvan Toperczer credits the aircraft to a MiG-21 of 927 Fighter Regiment piloted by Vu Duc Hop. Now, I understand that emotions can run pretty hot on these things. I also understand that there are several good sources that back the SAM claim, including Cunningham himself. But given the detail provided, I’d suggest that it is disputed. Not wrong - disputed. Flanker235 ( talk) 13:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)