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I am removing the quotations around the word 'liberated'; they do not make the term neutral- they imply a falsehood to the term and contribute to an anti-Soviet slant. I am not replacing it with a different word, such as 'released', because this would too likely imply that the Reich did the releasing, when in fact the Soviet prisoners of war were liberated, and liberated is the usual word one uses for the release of POWs by an advancing friendly force -- Crawdaddyjoe ( talk) 04:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
What is the exact text of the secret codicil to the Yalta agreement and where was it published (the source of the text should be included in the references)? What was the scope of the "Operation Keelhole"? Was it just forcible repatriation of cossacks of XVth Cossack Cavalry Corps who in May 1945 were in a camp near Lienz or was it forcible repatriation of all Soviet (and Yugoslav) citizens from Western Germany and Austria?
It seems to me that the former is true. Then the article should be rewritten accordingly and, probably, another article "Forcible Repatriation of Soviet and Yugoslav Citizens in 1945" should be created. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olegwiki ( talk • contribs) 15:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
In 1945 in Germany and Austria there were the following categories of Soviet citizens who did not want to be repatriated:
1) Nazi collabortionists (Vlasov's ROA, Cossacks and others who had served under the German command, those who had served in the auxillary police and in local government bodies in the Soviet territory occupied by Germany, etc.)
2) Those who used the German occupation and the subseqent retreat as an opportunity to flee from USSR. Many of them, however, can be also regarded as Nazi collabortionists (they voluntary worked in the German industry, participated in Nazi propaganda efforts, etc.)
3) Soviet POWS and civilian forced labourers ("Ostarbeitern")who did not want to repatriate either because they feared arrest upon repatriation (because they had actually voluntary surrended, colloborated with the Germans or because they were wise enough to suspect that they may be charged with such crimes regardless of what they actually had done), or simply because they preferred living in the West to living in the USSR.
4) Those who deserted from Soviet troops in Germany and Austria (for whatever reasons).
There is a lot of information about the forcible repatriation of the first category (in particular, "Lienz Cossacks", but what about other categories? Were they also forcibly repatriated by the British and the Americans?
There is confusion in the article over whether the operation was carried out by Americans or British. The first sentence says it was Americans, later on, "prisoners were shot within earshot of the British", and it goes on about british foreign policy. I'm guessing, then, that it was a joint operation, but it'd be good if someone who is familiar with the topic could clear this up. Deuar 21:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
British are guilty of witholding the truth and evidence about those masacres. They also knew they were sending unarmed locked people direct into death, but it was more convinient thing for them to do at the time. They have betrayed and sacrificed anti comunist people in Slovenia. My guess is, that if newely rising comunist dictatorships, wouldn't want to cooperate with the west (British/American) as they did (Gorica and Trst-Trieste were liberated from Italy, both towns were Slovene and are still slovenian people there) by partizans, they would use those soldiers in other way. And I don't blame the British for what they did then, I blame them for covering up the whole deal and truth. By not revealing the truth, even today, they support/backup comunists in my country and many people are misslead by comunist lies.
Deuar. I am familiar with this subject as my father was involved on the ground throughout the operation. I too was suprised to see the Americans credited with this action alone, but then realised that the term Americans has rather come to replace Allies in all things WW2. And in this instance they are welcome to the credit of this shabby and shamefull part of history. But just to put the record straight. The 56th and 78th division of the British Eighth army had just succeeded with other allies at the Battle of the Argenta Gap and had proceeded into Austria. on 8th May 1944 a Cossack delegation met with General Arbuthnott of the 78th Division of the British Eighth army and surrendered unconditionally. The Allies had agreed at Yalta to repatriate all Russian nationals - the prisoners were initially placed in three camps along with other captives from the German SS, Yugoslav partisans etc:
Once the other nationalities had been moved out, all of the Cossack contingent were moved into the camp at Spittal. The British soldiers guarding the camp were aware of the fate that awaited the cossacks when they were repatriated. My father recalls having to cut down those who had hanged themselves each morning. He also recalls escorting them over the line just to hear them being machine gunned down. There were several mutinies amongst the British troops during this period. I do not know wether any US troops were involved at all, it was a very chaotic period, my father cannot recall having seen any and I cannot find any contemporary reference to thier involvement. There IS however one episode that is clearly in American hands. That of a refugee ship that was being used to transport processed russian POWs to the USA. It reached New York as the decision was made to return the Cossacks to the Soviet Union - no-one was disembarked and the ship turned around to sail to Russia and hand over all of the passengers. More information can be got by doing a search on "Cossacks" & "Tolstoy" (He campaigned, and was ruined, trying to bring what he considered the Allied war crime, to light). DavidP 14:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I have not been back to this page for a long time and was surprised to see "by United States military forces in May and June of 1945" I think that this change was a result of vandalism See the change Revision as of 07:53, 23 March 2006 69.245.133.172 . The two edits by this IP address either side of this edit were vandalism see Contributions by 69.245.133.172 -- Philip Baird Shearer 16:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Operation Keelhaul: A Combined Allied Atrocity I removed this. The site appears to be a biased blog. Ostap 00:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll add to that that both references 2 and 3 should be removed. They are ideological screeds which depend upon other references listed ont he page, but offer no research of their own. They should be taken out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.86.226.34 ( talk) 23:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
What about France and forced repatriation of white emmigrants? NKVD had had special unit, cooperating with French autorities in 1945. Many of these people where not Soviet citizens, too. I dont't have source in hand, so I don't edit article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.75.218.201 ( talk) 21:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
"Soviet premier Joseph Stalin,"
As far as I remember J.S. was not holding any governmental office. He was the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. If I remember correctly the head of the Soviet government (and the ministry of internal affairs at the same time) was Molotov. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.36.32.227 ( talk) 21:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Seemingly a forgotten person, a British officer in charge of repatriation of Soviet POWs who did much to save many of them from having to return to the Soviet Union: [1], [2] (this is pl translation of Europe: A History by Norman Davies, p.1046-1047 in English version).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
This article briefly mentions the Bleiburg massacre, then says that most of the people there were actually sent to prison camps instead of killed. However the actual article on that event mentions some controversy over how many people were killed there, but it says nothing about people being sent to prison camps. Rather quotes from the chief critic of the large numbers given seems to be suggesting there were simply much fewer people involved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.15.152 ( talk) 06:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The article states over 50,000 allied soldiers ended up in the Gulags. I didn't delete but no way that could be true, I would lose all respect for FDR & Churchill if they bailed on thousands of their own.
Found only these: http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/russia_europe/gulag_study/ http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/russia_europe/gulag_study/documents/Gulagrevised5v2.pdf
I see this wittle unpleasant fact has been removed, so it won't disturb readers like the one above.
(The editor who removed it has a picture of Lenin on his talk page, and quotes him approvingly.) 76.186.162.32 ( talk) 05:40, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I added a link to the Western Betrayal page, for what I feel is obvious relevance. -- Luftschiffritter5 1 ( talk) 23:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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This is questionable - how can a forcibly deported person (Ost-Arbeiter) be a refugee fleeing Soviet Union? "At the end of World War II there were more than five million refugees from the Soviet Union in Western Europe, of whom approximately three million had been forced laborers (Ost-Arbeiter)" See: [ [3]]
Also, some that fled with the retreating German army were Axis military units (Cossacks), collaborators and auxiliaries (i.e. local militias and other units implicated in war crimes and atrocities; see: S.S. Sturmbrigade R.O.N.A.) - are they refugees as well? " The term [Operation Keelhaul] has been later applied to other Allied acts of often forced repatriation of former residents of the USSR after the ending of World War II that sealed the fate of millions of post-war refugees fleeing the Soviet Union.
Cossack units themselves were implicated in atrocities against Yugoslav civilian population. See: 1st Cossack Cavalry Division (Also, the term Betrayal of the Cossacks seems to apply the most to White emigres who were never Soviet citizens, and therefore cannot be 'post-war refugees fleeing the Soviet Union', as they never lived there).
Definition of refugee: a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster. ICRC definition: Refugees are people who are outside the country of their nationality "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted" (1951 Refugee Convention).
This does not include "forcibly removed" or "military units fleeing from advancing adversaries" or "those trying to escape responsibility for crimes" -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 22:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
"...often forced repatriation of former residents of the USSR after the ending of World War II that sealed the fate of millions[2] of post-war refugees fleeing the Soviet Union"
The source for the number repatriated is an article from The Future of Freedom foundation: https://web.archive.org/web/20070811230525/http://www.fff.org:80/freedom/0495a.asp. The article states: "...How many were turned over to the Russians by American and British forces? Two million individuals" - without providing any information on how these numbers were compiled and who was included.
I would not consider this article a reliable source due to unsubstantiated claims and obvious bias. For example, the article refers to the forced repatriation as "one of the worst holocausts in history" and "Allied holocaust." The word holocaust appears 7 times on this page. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 07:44, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
In what respects does the subject website meet Wikipedia's reliable source policy? Thanks, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 02:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Should have said that the article itself was sketchy as a source re: operation Keelhaul, or pretty much anything in the context of forced repatriations. It's an article about WWII in general and the only relevant statement was:
This ref is not pertinent and should be removed. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 07:43, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
@ My very best wishes: Please see consensus on the Reliable sources noticeboard re Hornberger (The Future of Freedom Foundation) and Scousen (World Affairs Brief), and their status as WP:RS -- Questionable sources in Operation Keelhaul, also replicated here:
Thoughts? -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 01:35, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
This is a tertiary source, sourced itself to Epstein. It says "Soviet editorial" as a lead-in to the quote, which is actually mentioned on page 8 of this article (at the very bottom of the 2nd column), but it's footnoted to Epstein, so it's not known when or in which context this was published. So I'd like the below re-removed.
All their sins have been forgiven. But the English and American bayonets, truncheons, machine guns and tanks used against them will never be forgotten. No Russian will ever forget Lienz, Dachau, Plattling, Toronto, and other places of extradition, including New York. And they must never be forgotten....it shows you cannot trust the capitalist states in the future." [1]
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"Anti-communist Yugoslavs and Hungarians, including members of the fascist Ustaše regime that ran the Jasenovac concentration camp,[4] were also forcibly repatriated to their respective governments.[5]" - Majority of the victims on Bleiburg were NOT the members of the Ustashi regime, but rather either members of the regular army of Croatia or else Croatian civilians. This part reads as an attempt at justifying Bleiburg massacres, and should be removed. 78.3.55.253 ( talk) 11:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)