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Please, let's evaluate if this phrase "In 2005, revenues from online poker were estimated at US$ 200 million per month.[1]" should be removed. The proposed link is broken too. I have just added a Financial time link with authoritative figures about actual revenues, this estimate of $200mn seems widely underestimated.
Thanks, regards.
-- Ugopanco ( talk) 08:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Iyaa Ambon123 ( talk) 23:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
What is the "disparate" locations supposed to mean? How about something like "inconvenient"? Or should we really regard that as additional evidence that the entire article is just another free advertising scam, with someone trying to make it sound like an encyclopedia. (Several other likely examples elsewhere.) Shanen 08:24, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This page is an advert for online poker all the 'benefits' are explained in detail and all the downsides are explained away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.191.33 ( talk) 14:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
The text mistakenly claims that 'The_V0id' was disqualified from the World Championship of Online Poker for having multiple accounts - the linked article (source) makes no such claim and merely says that he was disqualified for a breach of the terms of service. I think this should be corrected. 125.255.113.222 ( talk) 05:26, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
There really should be a section on cheating in online poker. There seem to be plenty of ways of doing it, from colluding with others to using "card counting" and other statistical software which in a real life casino would get you thrown out. There are bots too, of course, run by both players and the casino. I'll add something but maybe someone else knows more.
Edit: wasn't signed in on this page for some reason, NTL proxies perhaps... Mojo-chan 21:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
No, it wouldn't get you thrown out of anything. You're perfectly entitled to track what cards are in play or have been discarded during a poker hand. This is, in fact, crucial in games like 7-stud. It's perfectly fine.
I suppose you could mean actually tracking the position of cards in the deck as its shuffled, but of course that doesn't apply online. Evercat 01:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Online poker rooms are only computer programs that can be amended at will to maximise profit for the site, if they can they will, also the fact that online sites have paid players working for them shows the whole concept is best avoided. If you play then you deserve all the engineered hands you will get and the bad beats to go with them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.131.122 ( talk) 11:25, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
This whole section is perfunctory and promotional. Like anything written on wikipedia about the pharmaceutical industry or New York City, it exists only to glorify the subject matter while sweeping its potential questionable aspects under the rug. Furthermore, there are several self-appointed "article police" who delete material to ensure that the article does not deviate from the promotion of online poker. It's really advertising disguised as an encyclopedia article. 69.172.118.214 ( talk) 11:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Uh, nope. Show me third-party researched proof that cardrooms engineer hands to maximise profit, etc, and then it'd be worthy of mention in an article. Any complaining about bias in the big online cardrooms (PokerStars, FullTily, etc) is through people perceiving patterns in randomness or being frustrated at their bad luck. I guess I'd qualify as one of the "article police," but it's for good reason; the argument is flawed. JaeDyWolf ~ Baka-San ( talk) 17:46, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
List of online poker sites redirects to this page, despite the fact that there is not such list here. I think a list of online poker sites would be useful as a separate page. Does anyone object? And does anyone want to help? Be so empty without me ( talk) 06:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be much info here on the early history of online poker (the first few years). I've built a short section which outlines some of the problems the early operators faced as well as a "timeline" showing the expansion of online poker.
Is this something that would be useful? Admittedly my "encyclopedic" writing skills still need some work but I think many people would find the early history of online poker pretty interesting. I could add a section similar to that below or create a new page (whichever seems reasonable).
Potential content follows:
Creating a real money online poker room involved many technical and logistical challenges. The internet had not matured to the point where most users had confidence that their funds were safe and wagers were not at risk due to technical shortcomings. For a quality online poker experience, the game software had to be able to handle real time communications between the servers and the clients over connections ranging from 2400 Baud modems to T1 connections and satellite communications. E-commerce to address the money aspects was still in its infancy. Reliable methods of communicating between servers on the internet and banking systems (which were still largely limited to phone communications between their systems) needed to be created. In short, players needed to be convinced that it was safe to send money to an online cardroom, games would play reliably and they would be able to cash out their winnings.
In August 1997, Planet Poker launched the first online poker site. The site operated as a free cardroom for the remainder of 1997 to enable the developers to mature the software to meet basic player expectations. Methods to deal with internet communication problems were built into the software and practical methods to fund player accounts were created.
On January 1, 1998 the first real money online poker hand was dealt and by February, 1998 games were running around the clock. Real money online poker had arrived, sparking a multi-billion dollar industry.
Timeline:
August, 1988 | IRC (Internet Relay Chat) created by Jarkko Oikarinen |
1996 | IRC poker starts |
August 1997 | Planet Poker opens its doors |
January 1, 1998 | Planet Poker deals the first real money online poker game |
February 1999 | Paradise Poker starts up |
1999 | Delta Casino starts up (no longer operating) |
2000 | Highlands Poker starts up (no longer operating) |
May 2000 | Pokerspot starts up |
October 1999 | Mike Caro and Roy Cooke join Planet Poker giving online poker real legitimacy. |
2001 | Party Poker starts up |
2001 | Ultimate Bet starts up |
September 2001 | PokerStars starts up |
Burkr (
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16:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Per WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:NPOV (especially WP:UNDUE) and thus WP:BLP, the paragraph about D'Amato sourced entirely from PPA is inappropriate. The text can of course go back in if sourced to a reliable independent source which establishes its significance in context. Guy ( Help!) 18:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Could we get a little more info regarding the legality of online poker in countries other than the US, UK, and the Caribbean? I'm especially interested in Canada and Europe. Deepfryer99 ( talk) 21:21, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Anyone know anything about taxation? I heard something about EU players having to declare any earnings from non EU sites. Bjorn I. Clever ( talk) 06:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
As I understand it, the picture in the United States is as follows:
1. Several states ban internet poker within their jurisdictions.
2. The federal government claims that the Wire Act bans online poker, and has claimed this for some time. However, there's only one case that squarely deals with the issue and it held that the Wire Act only banned sports betting, not poker. Still, the DOJ's position carries some weight with banks, state legislators, and other actors and another court might adopt it.
3. The UIGEA didn't specifically ban online poker, but it said that if internet gambling was made unlawful (presumably under state or federal law, including the Wire Act if that statute is interpreted to ban online poker), it's illegal for a bank to process deposits.
4. The federal government has now issued banking regulations requiring banks to decline deposits to online poker sites.
So why doesn't this page say this? It reads like someone who is trying to obfuscate the issue, not explain it. 75.83.62.201 ( talk) 03:16, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Is this just someone's COI or is there third party coverage?
Rich
Farmbrough,
17:43, 15 December 2011 (UTC).
This article was marked for a proposed deletion because it was "promoting PokerStars." I removed the PROD and the image of PokerStars, but if anyone wants to discuss, here's a section of the talk page where you can now do so. Rray ( talk) 14:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
This article doesn't currently read like an encyclopedia article could really do with a history section giving some of the timeline. Tetron76 ( talk) 13:10, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
anyone there 119.235.88.120 ( talk) 05:42, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Ich weiß nich was man hier alles schreiben kann aba ich schreib ma vor mich hin, also ich bin der Hans. Ich bin der hab schon immer davon geträumt einen sinnlosen Wikipedia artiken zu verfassen und heute ist endlich der Tag gekommen andem ich... (fortsetzung folgt) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.116.15.3 ( talk) 09:07, 19 November 2013 (UTC)