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BetacommandBot13:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Problems with this article in its current state
This "stub-class" article is very poor quality and there have been "citation needed" and other tags sitting on it for months or years. I do not think it is NPOV any more to refer to Finkelstein and The Bible Unearthed as "revisionist", his research has now become mainstream, with a multi-part documentary based on it broadcast on the History channel. The statement "Most archaeologists in Israel, including Amnon Ben-Tor, Amihai Mazar, and Lawrence Stager, reject this theory" needs to be cited to a
WP:RS or removed, and not in months or years, but very soon.
Smeat75 (
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13:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)reply
I removed the uncited assertions that had been tagged as "citation needed" since March and changed the section heading from "revisionist" to "historicity".
Smeat75 (
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14:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Section moved from article to talk page
I moved this section from the article -
"Worshippers of Baal or Yahweh?
Bible described Omrides as idolatrous rulers, which promoted cult of Baal and fight with
yahwism. However most of evidences suggest that deity of Omrides was really
Yahweh of
Samaria, not Baal. Names of some Omrides (such Jehoram, Ahaziach or Athaliah) was theophoric and refered to
Yahweh[1][2]. The
Mesha Stele set up around 840 BCE, mentioned altar of Yahweh from
Kingdom of Israel. It is probably that biblical name "Baal" mean Yahweh of Samaria, not phoenician deity[1]. Maybe Samarian worship of Yahweh was regarded by Judah's priests as heretical, thus was equalized with baalism."
I don't mean to be rude, but this is not written in very good English and I don't really understand it very well. Maybe we can work on it for clarity and put it back into the article.
Smeat75 (
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02:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)reply
I think your points are very well taken. I have made an effort to correct the section in accordance with your comments and have put the revised version back in the article.
BPK (
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15:38, 20 May 2014 (UTC)reply
^
abEdward Lipiński "Studia z dziejów i kultury starożytnego Bliskiego Wschodu" Nomos Press, 2013,
ISBN978-83-7688-156-0
^Łukasz Toboła "Ba'al in the Omrides' history : the historical-theological study", Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznań. Faculty of Theology ; 162
ISBN9788363266141
Requested move 19 March 2015
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The result of the move request was: No consensus. There doesn't seem to be agreement or irrefutable evidence on what sources say, and opinions are fairly evenly split. (
non-admin closure) —
Amakuru (
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11:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Google ngrams do not support "8 times more common" in recent works. "Omrids" is a close variant of "Omrides".
Srnec (
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13:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose. While I don't feel it makes much difference one way or the other, I think general usage supports "Omrides," just as it does, say, "Selucids" over "House of Selucis."
BPK (
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14:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)reply
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Masoretic pointed text is unsourced
@
Zhomron has modified the Hebrew in the lede to include Masoretic pointed vowels, whereas the text in the article body is unpointed. If the cited sources contain pointed text, then we should have no trouble verifying it and including it in all locations.
Elizium23 (
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18:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I have tagged the article because the Hebrew text (not to mention the Akkadian cuneiform) lacks any direct inline citation. The table containing the Hebrew names
was added in 2015 by @
BPK2. The table has never included a single inline citation. It is not for the readership or other editors to pore through the footnotes looking to support assertions in the article; if the foreign-language translations are unsourced then they are hereby challenged per
WP:V and subject to removal.
Elizium23 (
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19:07, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
The information in the tabular list of Omride rulers contested here was imported from the article
Kings of Israel and Judah, where inline citations for the names are also lacking. The material has not been contested there, but if it's a problem here, it's presumably a problem there. You might want to hash out the problem on the talk page for that article first.
BPK (
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14:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)reply