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Did you know... that even though Oise amber is found in France, it was produced by a type of tree now found in the
Amazon?
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This source can be used for both facts that used Amber International as a source instead. Which hook should we use? I think ALT 7 is the hookiest, but I'd like to hear any other thoughts.
Helloheart
01:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Helloheart,
Onegreatjoke, and
Bruxton:, I see Alt7 has been promoted. I don't think the reference supports the hook, it says "The collected material relates to dental and skeletal remains, many coprolithes and a few exceptional items preserved in amber (hair, feathers) and in coprolithes (bones, teeth, fingerprints, skin) (NEL et al. 1999)." I read that as saying hair and feathers were preserved in amber, and the other items in coprolites, rather than amber.
NEL et al. 1999 p. 66 says "There are some exceptional fossils imbeddded in both amber and coprolites, feathers and hairs in the former, bones, teeth, and skin cast in the latter." I have only read the English summary.
TSventon (
talk)
01:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
TSventon The prep set was not working for PSHAW until I removed the DYKMAKE template which was left behind after de-promotion, I accidentally promoted an incorrect choice this am and it worked with PSHAW. I will await a decision on a new hook.
Bruxton (
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15:33, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Helloheart and
Bruxton:, Bruxton, thank you for fixing my unpromote edits. I have struck the three least interesting hooks. My favourite fact so far is that analysis showed that the amber was produced by a tree now found in the amazon rainforest (same reference as ALT4).
TSventon (
talk)
17:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Helloheart and
Onegreatjoke:, I would try to make the wording less specific. I don't know much about biology, would "a type of tree" be an acceptable paraphrase of "closely related to ... a modern tree"? Also I changed "is produced" to "was produced" and "found" to "now found".
TSventon (
talk)
22:39, 24 January 2023 (UTC)reply
This still had a bunch of errors, which I have now fixed. I am not happy with the hook, as a direct attribution to Hymenea is not straightfoward. There is a later 2015 paper on the subject
[1], which states that it can only be attributed to Fabaceae with confidence, and not Hymenaea specifically. The article itself is poorly written and not really worthy of a DYK.
Hemiauchenia (
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22:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)reply
Questions
Helloheart, a few questions and comments. I am reading the article and sources without specialist knowledge.
"both types of amber have similar geographic origins" I can't find this in the source, do you mean geological?
two amber-rich deposits were discovered" I can't find this in the source, what was the other one?
"produced by an angiosperm of the family Fabaceae" this should be combined with Hymenaea oblongifolia sentence
"amber can be found" the sites are no longer accessible per David Penney 2010, page 140
who is De Franceschi?
"diversity of vertebrate fauna in Oise amber. Dental and skeletal remains". I think this relates to the amber containing strata, not the amber itself
"coprolites have been found in Oise amber" again, I think this relates to the amber containing strata.
Hello @
TSventon:: and here are answers to your questions:
No, I mean geographic. (See page 143, the second-to last paragraph)
I can't find it in the source as well (which also mentions De Franceschi), but one of the other sources has it. Changing.
Combining.
It should work now.
I am not sure. It never mentions their first name (if they have any) in the citation. See the source and search for "De Franceschi" in the search box on the bottom left-hand side. We may want to remove that until it's clear who he is.
1 Thank you, the source says "geographical origins", but I am still not sure what that means, can you explain? I would suggest adding page numbers to book references by using
Template:Rp.
2 The article says that de Ploeg discovered Charentes amber and that Charentes amber is found in the Oise valley, which the source doesn't support.
3 I think "angiosperm of the family Fabaceae" could be omitted. The full classification is apparently Plantae, Tracheophytes, Angiosperms, Eudicots, Rosids, Fabales, Fabaceae, Detarioideae, Detarieae, Hymenaea.
4 I have changed sediments "can be found" to amber "were found" as the sites are no longer accessible