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The critiques section reads like an advertisement for Freddy Hutter. If you go to his webpage you will find that his business adress is a mailbox and that he sells his 'research' for money. Makes you wonder if it might not be Freddy himself using wikipedia as a money making sceme. I'm deleting everything Freddy related.
Also the site peakoildebunked is a blog. It has to go.
Peakoildebunked has the Doomers banana's in general. He's got better ideas than peakoil.com, why can't it get axed as well?
The POV tag was added by anon with this comment.
"noting NPOV dispute: this article takes the POV that oil depletion, not climate change, is the dominant factor driving the search for alternatives to oil - this is not what Nobel Prize winners say"
I happen to agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment - however, the POV label requires that a justification be made in the talk page, and because it was note made - I will remove the label, but leave the comments, thanking the contributor just the same. Benjamin Gatti
OK - I was a bit quick, but can we leave the big guns until after some edit war prevents you from correcting the bias. I encourage your corrections, i will defend and endorse them. This content was moved here from Hubbert peak theory, and so there was no overt effort to create a biased article, it just needs adjusting to its new (and more general role). Benjamin Gatti
You might find some balance in the original text of this same article which was written to contract HPO with GW. [1] Benjamin Gatti
There is an entirely contrary body of evidence that oil is in fact not a "fossil" fuel at all, and that "Peak Oil" is just a myth. Just do a search in Google for "peak oil myth" and you will find many articles about this.
For that matter, have a look at the article on Abiogenic petroleum origin.
It appears that in the 1950s and 1960s, Russian scientists did a great deal of research into the origins of oil, and concluded that Lomonosov’s 1757 hypothesis that oil is of biogenic origin is not true.
There is no doubt in my mind that long before we run out of oil, we will have to change our approach as to how we use our planet's resources. Whilst in Africa, desertification is a reality, floods in Europe and North America appear to be worsening too. So, perhaps reality will bite, and Americans will finally realise that they cannot continue to waste resources at the current rate. A couple more hurricanes might do it.
Not only do 5% of the world's population consume 24% of the resources, but America is also the leading perpetrator of terrorism in the world. Since Teddy Rooseveldt's time, there hasn't been a single year in which the US wasn't involved in one or more armed conflict somewhere in the world.
According to people like Mike Ruppert, the two are linked. He claims that the current aggression against Afganistan and Iraq have nothing to do with a war on terrorism, and everything to do with the big corporations using the US military to protect their source of oil. And drugs, of course. The Taliban destroyed the opium crop in 2001, so they had to go. Now that the Northern Alliance are in power in Afganistan, the opium supply is back to "normal" levels again. While I think Mike Ruppert is wrong about Peak Oil, I think he is right about the CIA being the force behind the narcotic drug trade, but that's another issue altogether.
If oil is not really a limited resource, there isn't any need to fight wars over controlling the supply. Also, it means that the current soaring prices are not because of Peak Oil, and other factors are causing the high prices, not the availability of sources. But if burning "fossil" fuels is threatening our own survival, then alternative energy technology has to become a priority. In that sense, sky-high oil prices are good in that they encourage the development of alternative technologies.
In summary, to achieve a balanced article on Peak Oil, it is not sufficient to discuss whether production or consumption will be the ultimate limiting factor on oil use. It is necessary to refer to the Biogenic versus Abiogenic origin of petroleum too.
Couldn't agree more with the above statement.
Also: Whether or not oil is a "fossil", the volume of discovered new oil deposits has distinctly declined in each of the last 4 decades. Since more than 20 years does consumption exceed new findings. So why would anyone who isnt paid for it propagate statements like "oil isn't finite, go figure abiogenic oil, stupid"? Petroconsult, Geneva predicts the peak to occur before 2010. I doubt companies pay $32.000 per issue of "World Oil Supply" for some groundless peaknik propaganda.
I have deleted a massive chunk copied from or to Implications of peak oil. It can stay here or go there but this material does not deserve to be word for word in 2 afrticles. It makes editing extremely difficult if you have 2 versions that then start to slightly differ, and there was no good reason to text dump inthat way, SqueakBox 03:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
As long as we keep using oil, eventually it will run out. That is a consequence of the simple fact that the size of the Earth is not infinite. It's not a TARDIS inside! :) Whether or not climate change will hit first, or oil depletion first, or both at once depends on the estimates and data one is using. Some oil-depletion anaylsts suggest that we may have only 50 years of oil left, particularly when growht is factored in, and as it depletes the prices will skyrocket and crash the economy even before them. By contrast, it is suggested that it will take at least 100 years for climate changes to really ruin things -- ie. oil depletion hits first. Some though go to 75 years for complete depletion, but still the economy will crash sooner. For conventional oil, these estimates are very accurate. However, if one factors in oil sands they could push out the depletion date further, but they bring the catastrophic climate-change date closer, so that if these are used climate change would come first. It depends on how you analyze and whose data you use, really. Some even suggest both will get bad around the same time. There are many complex interactions possible -- for example oil depletion makes it harder to consume oil and thus harder to emit CO2, lessening climate change. Switching to junk like shale and sands would pump a frick of a lot of CO2 and exacerbate climate change. This can in turn rebound off of oil use, etc. Really, only time will tell, and the best Wikipedia can do (since it for one is not a crystal ball), is just to neutrally report the various data. 74.38.35.171 05:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Any reason why the lead talks at length about global warming? -- Relata refero ( disp.) 08:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, User:Arnoutf is questioning the assertion that crude oil is no longer being naturally produced. (I'm saying *naturally* produced, because some articles claim that oil is being produced from plankton in the lab.) Is crude oil still being naturally produced? What source, either way, do you have? Timhowardriley ( talk) 16:14, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
This discussion is a continuation of the discussion in Talk:Peak oil. It is off-topic there and will be continued here. Kgrr ( talk) 12:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
RockyMtnGuy, The subject of depletion has been removed out of Peak oil because of excessive POV pushing and put into this article. People confuse "peak oil" with the final death of the oil supply and continually wreck the peak oil article. When an article has reached GA status, it should not undergo excessive changes. By essentially dividing the article in two, we put the more controversial part here and the more stable part there. Nevertheless, we have newbies that want to invent their own peak oil theories, we have abiotic oil pushers, and all sorts of people in a panic wanting to change the article from the facts as they are presented in the literature. With that out of the way, let's resume the discussion here. Kgrr ( talk) 13:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree that production rate, the cumulative production curve and ultimately the total reserve are totally inter-related. In his time, Hubbert saw coal depletion and exponential growth in oil. He essentially needed to convince the oil industry that perpetual exponential depletion of oil was not possible and that peak oil was the outcome. He had the cumulative production curves and could, using derivatives point out that at some point production decreases. He showed this for one oil field after another. But his other problem was how much oil is there left. And, yes he very elegantly shows you how to calculate that in his paper.
The answer to "there is still plenty of oil in the world" is clearly yes. If we need to fix this article, please let me know what we need to do. Kgrr ( talk) 13:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
In the Peak oil article, TastyCakes left the following comment:
Hey guys. I recently saw this quote in a book from 1978 called "Colonizing Space" by Erik Berguast. It says the following: "Energy experts believe that our oil and gas will be depleted for purposes of generating power by the year 2000" "The Carter administration served warning of this to the American people in April, 1977. I found this very interesting. The launguage of the time was that less than 9 years ago we wouldn't be able to use oil or gas for energy anymore, yet we still do. As far as the energy experts part, the book doesn't mention any names that I can find. 68.51.41.46 ( talk) 08:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
They only reference Carter's warnings of it. Here's the rest of the page:
"We still have vast deposits of coal, but tapping this energy source requires mining and transportation, as well as clean-burning systems and technology to meet environmental standards. There are also some nuclear energy solutions, such as nuclear fusion, which might become available in the somewhat distant future, perhaps fifty or more years hence"
I just viewed the actual speech from April 18th of 1977 and it doesn't seem to mention 2000, but I am still looking for the "energy experts" as quoted in the book. I'm not sure if they are part of the sources listed in the beginning or not. 68.51.41.46 ( talk) 05:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Fredhutter has been trying to change the definition of depletion used here to mean all the time after the first drop is extracted. This is one way of defining depletion, but another (according to Resource depletion) is when the last drop has been removed. The meaning used in this article is the terminal decline in production rates towards the ultimate depletion of the resource. As this is all semantics, let's get some consensus before continuing an edit war, because if we're using a different definition of "depletion" then we probably need a different title for this article (or at least a complete rewrite). My general feeling is that Fredhutter's definition is akin to "oil production" or "oil use", and serves no useful purpose here. NJGW ( talk) 06:55, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
"neophyte" around so brashly (perhaps even bizarre given the fact that you have been registered since 2005). NJGW ( talk) 15:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
n.b. from Resource depletion: Use of either of these forms of resources beyond their rate of replacement is considered to be resource depletion. this seems like a reasonable definition, although it too lacks source. 79.101.174.192 ( talk) 09:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
dear NJGW, you obviously didn't read This_article_does_not_cite_any_references_or_sources.#Inline_citations. if you have, you wouldn't provide such an edit summary. i would like to see this article become a good or even featured article, but your reverts are being everything but helpful. 79.101.174.192 ( talk) 21:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a report available: Evolution of Giant Oil Field Production Behavior Especially Figure 4 on page 5 may be interesting. Uikku ( talk) 02:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
The graph at the top of the article appears to be original research WP:OR. It cites a source for current production and for reserves, but not for the projected future production profiles. In fact, the model shown makes an assumption of increasing production for some countries: production flat at first, then increasing in each remaining country until each country in turn suddenly exhausts its oil. This is precisely the opposite of what has been observed. In fact, as regions or countries run out of oil, the production rates decline asymptotically (rapidly at first, then more slowly). This is well documented further down in this article. So is there a published source for the illustrated future production, or is it WP:OR? Plazak ( talk) 21:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
"A 2010 study published in the journal Energy Policy by researchers from Oxford University, predicted that demand would surpass supply by 2015, unless constrained by strong recession pressures caused by reduced supply or government intervention.[6]"
The article is Oil depletion. Why does the second paragraph in the article talk about a predicted imbalance of supply and demand?
Any objections to deleting it?
Gravuritas ( talk) 12:22, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Several passages in the article say that once a resource passes its peak, Hubbert theory predicts that it will enter exponential decline; the implication to me is that the entire theoretical decline phase is supposedly exponential (according to this article). I am not aware of Hubbert or any other published studies of Hubbert curves saying this. In fact, the most cursory inspection of a Hubbert curve shows this to be false. In exponential decline, the steepest decline is at the very start, and progressively becomes less steep as production approaches, but mathematically never reaches, zero. The predicted Hubbert-curve decline cannot possibly be exponential until after the inflection point. Hubbert wrote of the early part of the curve being approximated by exponential growth, but he noted (1956, page 7 and Figure 10) that US oil production, exponential growth lasted only until 1930. Plazak ( talk) 06:18, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
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> Natural gas is used simply because it is the cheapest currently available source of hydrogen; were that to change, other sources, such as electrolysis powered by solar energy, could be used to provide the hydrogen for creating fertilizer without relying on fossil fuels.
There is no source at all. And if any, it should address the large scale feasibility. Tuxayo ( talk) 04:12, 10 January 2023 (UTC)