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What the hell happened to this article? Why was it deleted? How can it be restored? Spylab 12:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I think there was a section referring to European OI bands in one of the past revisions, but Im not sure (I think the Analogs were mentioned in the article) - and I have no idea how to make a revert 194.145.96.51 ( talk) 04:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
There needs to be an explanation of this. -- Liface 21:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
This is the explanation we got back then in the 80's, it's how it sounds when an Englishman says "hey!" Runlevel0 18:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 ( talk • contribs)
How come no one accept this person is refering to Oi! as a very common method of saying hello im many heritages? please sombody find some info on this and i might actuall come back to this site... -unsigned
Oi is a way of calling for attention in Australia. Has been forever. Also is a chant sound as well. Definately Oi! started as a demand Oi! Listen to what we have to say in this song. It must always be written with the exclamation mark as well. Skamay ( talk) 17:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
This is directed to the anonymous editor who made incorrect statements about Combat 84 in edit notes. They were an Oi! band, not a Rock Against Communism band. RAC was a separate scene that specifically stood for white power, not just anti-communism. The only member of Combat 84 who was involved with the far right was the singer, Chubby Chris. The other members were not into racist politics, and none of the band's lyrics were racist. Spylab 17:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, they used to be an Oi! band, before they became a RAC band. If you want racist lyrics listen to the songs "Right to Choose", "Rapist", and "Better Dead than Red". In many RAC mp3 sites (such as SolarGeneralMusic) you can find Combat 84 songs. 85.75.176.101 15:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I know what Rock Against Communism is. Combat 84 was RAC. They played most of their concerts together with other RAC bands, such as The Elite and London Branch. "Next you'll be telling me Skrewdriver did the soundtrack to Romper Stomper." What are you talking about???? "I don't think they ever did a song called "Better Dead than Red." That is a lyric from the song "Right to Choose."" It is a lyric from "Right to Choose", but it's also a song. There is also a song by C84 called "Politically Incorrect". Chubby Chris was in Chealsea Headhunters and they worked with Rock-Ο-Rama records. 87.203.179.138 21:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Are you having any problems with being labelled as RAC? Jim: We have never labelled ourselves as anything, we are not part of any movement, especially political ones, and we never were, people try to associate us with this and that, but we are just a band, who write about their lives and what they see around them, nothing more.
Any opinions about RAC? Deptford: We believe in free speech, you don't have it in England anymore, but people should be allowed to say what they want, we don't support any movement as Jim said, but RAC should be given an equal platform as anything else. [1]
It is clear that Combat 84 is not RAC. Spylab 01:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Possibly there is a confusion with Condemned 84, however both of them have been repeatedly accused of, and allegedly linked to, RAC leanings. I'd also point out that there is likely as big a difference between someone who is directly affiliated with the RAC movement and someone who is a self proclaimed RAC sympathizer as there was between someone who was actually a member of SHARP as an organization and someone who just slaps a SHARP logo patch on their flight jacket and declares themselves "a SHARP Skinhead."
I disagree with this choice/suggestion. I think Streetpunk is more modern, more oriented around being poor and things that come of such (dumpster diving, squatting, etc.) and less oriented around skinhead fashion. The term Oi! has more of an old school feeling to it. I say that the notice should be taken down.
I agree with the anonymous user above. Oi seems to be an entirely different genre. Related, but different. Some brash punk expert could do it but I don't feel particularly expert on this subject. User:Pedant 08:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
They are not the same thing at all. Somebody really fucked up the streetpunk article. While they are related as all forms of punk are they are different and it needs to be reflected on wikipedia. While I don't necessarily agree that street punk is more about dumpster diving, etc., it can be which isn't any working class oi! thing. This sucks because one guy probably put up both of those articles to reflect his personal views on the two genres ignoring all logic and fact.-unsigned
I disagree with this choice. The two are completely different. OI! is the earliest version stemming from 1958-1965; Ex. Teds, Mods who followed groups like Slade and The Who were the founders if not origination of the style. The term Streetpunk was coined by producer Marty Munsch,(SPIN Magazine 1985) in the mid 1980's, due to its close knit sound but almost identical new sound and production style that was emulated and almost identical.
If it is merged, it should definitely go under the name Streetpunk. Randomfrenchie 03:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree that it should not be merged, although we could have been labeled as street punks the fact is that Oi! is what we call it, what we called it, and although it has influenced modern streetpunk it is like saying that we should merge rock n roll with the blues since there are a lot of similarities and blues is its ancestor.
I agree it should not be merged with street punk. Street punk and Oi! are no longer a consolidated genre if they ever were. The Oi!/skinhead style embodied by bands like The Bruisers and Angelic Upstarts is clearly completely separate from the street punk style of bands like The Casualties and Cheap Sex. Even more accessible forms of street punk like Rancid or Far From Finished are nowhere near Oi!. For a visual example, which does figure in to music like this, see these two compilation album covers: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/1196/oi2large.gif and http://www.interpunk.com/itemimages2/21722.jpg.
If people do not want it merged then the phrase "Originally the style was called streetpunk or reality punk" needs to be removed from the article. If they are different the article really cannot state that they are the same. Makes no sense. - R. fiend 21:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
This sentence:
"The first incarnation of Skrewdriver, which began in 1976, is often described as Oi!, although the band never participated in the official Oi! scene."
is rather humourous. What could possible be considered an "official" scene? Who decides what is official and what isn't? I just removed the word "official" because it didn't really add anything, but someone else who knows more about the genre might be able to rewrite it. Skalchemist 20:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
There is evidence to back up the other dudes statement about Oi! being a cockney expression . Search list of words commonly used in england , and that word will appear under O . As well as other cockney expressions featured in O! songs such as Argy Bargy ( You know the cock sparrer song ) That infact is a British term meaning sort of in a way " playfull fighting " Or fighting in the intention of not really hurting the person . -- ryusho2 18:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
I tried to include the fact that in the song "Career Opportunities" by The Clash was the first time the slang "Oi!" was used on a Punk recording.
This is not insignificant, considering that the Sham 69 were perhaps most heavily influenced by the Clash than any other of the first wave of Punk bands of 76/77 and that Jimmy Pursey was the one who discovered the Cockney Rejects.
Indeed! The choir after the second strophe before and between "Bus driver... ambulance man..." Strummer where yelling "Oi! Oi! Oi!". And we have to recall that the Clash together with Stiff Little Fingers were influential as the first bands with real politics in their lyrics and a closer connection to the working class and the left wing. Runlevel0 18:29, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 ( talk • contribs)
So the question is, who took down the edits I made and why?
69.234.217.64 ( talk) 02:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
That is crazy. On the Heavy Metal wiki page, they mention the fact that the term Heavy Metal was first used in a Steppenwolf song in 1968. I mean, I suppose, one can say that is useless Trivia. But it's on the Heavy Metal page, regardless.
But, I think my example is even more credible: if Oi! derives directly from Punk, then we have to wonder, which Punk bands first set the mold or influenced this particular strain? Jimmy Pursey was virtually obsesed with the Clash. Furthermore, if the terminology was not "invented" by Stinky, and is simply a Cockney slang that's been around for a while, isn't it of any interest that it actually was once used in a Punk song several years before, and only one time only by the Clash before the Rejects began playing.
Btw, out of curiousity, (and I really want a response to this question): do you deny that Joe Strummer was the first one to use "Oi!" in a Punk recording -- or do you dispute that that's what he says in the song? And please don't say "It doesn't matter..."
The song is Career Opportunities, 1977. Tommy the Dressmaker ( talk) 19:39, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
I never asserted the fact that The Clash are responsible for inventing 'Oi!' or that they are resposible for the genre's being invented (I mean, you say it yourself, that some journalist essentially invented a music genre). I merely stated that the Clash were the first ones to use it in a recording. I don't think it's such a far-out, esoteric reference. The Heavy Metal page on wikipedia is many times longer than this article, and yet they actually do find "space" on the page to mention that a Steppenwolf song had used the phrase "heavy metal" in one of their songs. Other than that, I appreciate the fact that you affirmed that the Clash did use it in a 1977 recording. And perhaps others may disagree that it doesn't belong on this page. Tommy the Dressmaker ( talk) 00:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
The Blood - Not well known
The Burial - Not well known
The Bruisers - American imitators 10 years too late, not Oi!
Dropkick Murphys (early days) - ditto but more like 20 years
The Exploited (early days) - Were not Oi!
The Oppressed - Not well known
Oi Polloi (early days) - 99% of their output is anarcho
Oxymoron - German imitators 15 years too late, not Oi!
The Templars - American imitators 15 years too late, not Oi!
U.S. Chaos - American, not Oi!
The Wretched Ones - American, 15 years too late, not Oi! Stutley ( talk) 10:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
If the Exploited were not Oi! nobody was. Who said that? An Ex-Oi! Punk says that and that's me. Runlevel0 18:34, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 ( talk • contribs)
Any more questions? Spylab ( talk) 15:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
More than a year ago the same issue was discussed, comparing to the participation in the articles for deletion discussion (where not even one vote was against the delete/redirect) it seems really strange that suddenly the decision to redirect was taken, with all the opinions in favor of 2 different articles about Oi! and Street punk in this talk page and some others in the Streetpunk talk page, and only one objective comment and four votes for redirect, one of them stating that street punk (i.e. The Casualties, A Global Threat, The Virus and others) is the same as Oi! (like The 4-Skins, Cock Sparrer, The Bruisers, Sham 69, The Templars among others).
I won't deny the Streetpunk article was awfully written, still, it made clear differences between Oi! and Street punk, also the Street punk article made similar distinctions between terms, even the Oi! article establishes Street punk as a derivative form of Oi! Yes, Streetpunk was a synonym of Oi! back in the day, but for some reason things have changed. I would like to use the definition of Street punk from Urban Dictionary, not as a reference for Wikipedia, but as an example of how people relate the term today. Street punk @ urbandictionary.com, there's also a definition for Streetpunk, also stating the same differences. Like I wrote before, this is not supposed to be a reference for inclusion in Wikipedia, this is just an example of how the term is related by some people.
Also, I would like to use a "logical" argument: comparing the sound of Street punk bands like The Casualties with Oi! bands like The 4-Skins... it's not the same; comparing The Unseen with Angelic Upstarts it's not the same; comparing A Global Threat with Sham 69 it's not the same; comparing Krum Bums with Cock Sparrer it's not the same; comparing Complete Control with Cockney Rejects it's not the same... and so on.
One of the main troubles writing a decent article about Street punk is the lack of reliable sources suitable for Wikipedia, for example, I found an interview with the drummer of The Casualties, stating that one of their influences are '82 bands, but, the site is in Spanish and seems to be abandoned long ago, original source and translation, the same page has an interview with The Havoc, another band that was in the roster of Punk Core Records, stating influences from UK 82 bands and contemporary acts like The Casualties.
Certainly there is a consensus about the redirect of Streetpunk/Street punk to Oi!, and certainly back in the day Streetpunk was a substitute word for Oi!, but it's also true that some things need to chage. The Italian Wiki has an article titled Street punk, with three lists separating classic Oi! bands from "Street punk" bands and "Hardcore/Street punk" bands. So, once again: Is Street punk/Streetpunk the same as Oi!? I don't think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RavageMX ( talk • contribs) 18:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Street punk is not Oi! Oi! is actually more carefully constructed musically. And has unique styles across bands. Skamay ( talk) 17:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Why does 'Oi!' consistently show up with a capital O and an exclamation point throughout this article? It doesn't seem like it should be a proper noun, any more than 'punk' and 'rock' are. 71.90.130.7 ( talk) 05:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Because we invented it, and we have always used it this way. We, the Oi! fans, the *original ones* Runlevel0 18:35, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 ( talk • contribs)
The article attempts to differentiate Oi! from American Hardcore by stating, " Although similar in spirit and influence to Oi! (particularly in the earlier stages), hardcore expounded itself in an American middle class (rather than working class) fashion as its influences spread." From personal experience I don't believe this to be the case, though can't really cite myself on that. Where does this idea come from, particularly for the east coast bands listed? I recommend removing the line. 128.30.30.25 ( talk) 14:47, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
This section is so based on deflecting politics that it does not actually discuss how some of the bands were too the right. It instead only focuses on dismissing the assertion. Maybe a little more space on why some bands in the genre are considered right is appropriate. This is a neutrality issue. Even worse, the reader is left scratching their head. Cptnono ( talk) 07:18, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
There was also a strong leftist component back "in the days". The Labour Party, specially the most radical were very present. Runlevel0 18:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 ( talk • contribs)
Since someone asked: 'Erberts (with a proper dropped H) were just "The Kids", as in people wouldn't obviously mistake them for a punk, skin, or anything else of note by their dress. A Cockneyish expression probably around for ages and traditionally used as in: "C'mere and say that and I'll box* your ears, you spotty little 'erbert" etc. *or possibly nail them to the wainscotting if a Piranha Brother. 92.41.200.182 ( talk) 04:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Why are the Rolling Stones cited as an influence? Neither Oi! nor Punk has nothing to do with the Stones, there neither where Rythm&Blues nor country or beat influences in Oi! or Punk in general and there was an concious and very open antagonism not only to the Rolling Stones and everything they represented. If we have to accept the Rolling Stones as an influence in Oi! we could as well include Richard Wagner and the Penguin Cafe Orchestra. Runlevel0 18:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runlevel0 ( talk • contribs)
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Oi! bands from other countries need to be mentioned. Europe of course. And Australia had and has again a thriving skinhead culture. Oz city centers were filled with skins and rude boys and girls all through 80s and early 90s. Skamay ( talk) 17:58, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Mention should be made of Oi! Poetry. It is a particular style of strongly spoken, carefully metered and ryhmed poetry with strong impact. Esp as the lyrics are so clear. They strongly argue for the values of Oi! I have some on my link records Lps I will look them up but others may have information too which could be added. Maybe with a small quote of a good bit. There's one about who going to protect the company boss on his way home.... Skamay ( talk) 18:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)