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Santiago, Chile experiences a Mediterranean climate (similar to southern California). The southern part of Chile, however, is a better example for this maritime climate- although there are no notable cities to cite.
Examples of cities and places in southern Chile with an oceanic climate include Coyhaique, Puerto Aisén, Valdivia and Puerto Montt. Ssbbplayer ( talk) 23:31, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
So,Support Merging, unless there is a considerable use of the alternate term. Fra nkB 18:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
These two articles are descriping the same climate, so I support Merging. Orcaborealis 20:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
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What about Berlin? Isn't the climate there oceanic, even though it's a ways inland?
The articles currently says: San Francisco, California has a temperature range characteristic of an oceanic climate but so little rainfall during a summer almost indistinguishable from its winter by temperature that it must be considered part of a Mediterranean climate zone. This is insightful and perhaps it should be noted in mediterranean climate. Of interest, the inverse is true of Victoria, Canada, since it is clearly in a West Coast/ Oceanic regime but exhibits some mediterranean climate characteristics due to rain shadows- namely, relatively dry (but cool) summers. 66.183.217.31 23:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
The article mentions Patagonia as a dry Oceanic climate. Isn't eastern Washington and Oregon a dry oceanic climate for the exact same reasons (That is, lying east of a mountain range that causes a rainshadow)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.57.220.63 ( talk) 00:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC).
Both Patagonia and eastern Oregon/Washington are rainshadow semideserts in lowlands and should be treated as such. They can be discussed in the context of oceanic climates for temperature range only if they are recognized as cool steppes (BSk). -- Paul from Michigan 03:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't seem to find much about the use of the word "Oceanic" to describe this climate. Can someone point me to a source? I've found a few sources that use the term "Oceanic", but mostly in a very general sense that would include a lot more than "Marine west coast". I like the term "Oceanic" better than "Marine west coast", since not all such climate regions are on west coasts. But I'm wondering where the term comes from. Pfly 06:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC) I guess that means you think -3C should be the c/d border. So do I. I like the term "oceanic." Press olive, win oil ( talk) 19:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm confused by the mention of tropical highlands, which are mentioned twice but not really explained. Is it the Cwb climate type? The Köppen climate classification page says places like Mexico City are Cwb, and that Cfb climates include places like Bogotá, Colombia. I can believe that under a strict Köppen system places like this would get classed this way, but does it make sense to call them "Marine west coast climate" and "maritime climate", as this page says "Oceanic climate" is synonymous with? The altitude of Mexico City and Bogotá may make for similar temperature and precipitation patterns, but other climatic factors associated with "Marine west coast climate", like midlatitude westerlies blowing over oceans, doesn't make sense for these tropical places. Should I edit it so the tropical statements are indicated as specific to Köppen's system and not typical of the climate as a regional zone of many factors? Pfly 06:43, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Wonder if it would be a good idea to show a list of countries or regions with this climate? Paddy Reilly from Cavan, 21:23, 17th August 2007 (UTC)
The Alps in Italy only have a climate between the Oceanic Climate and the Hemiboreal Climate between 700 and 1000 meters. For exemple, Tarvisio(750mtrs), where the winter's averages are -2.9°C, and the summer's 17°C. If the city in the Alps is above 1000 meters we find Hemiboreal Climates, (1000~1600), like in Dobbico, that is colder than Oslo and Helsink, with averages of -4.8°C during the winter and 16°C during the summer. Between 1600 and 2200 mtrs, Sub-Artic Climate, like northermost Norway. Rolle Pass's averages are -5.2°C and 11°C. Between 2200 and 3600, tundra climate, as in Pian Rosa (summer= 1.8°C, winter= -11.8°C). Above 3600 meters trere is a perpetual frost climate, EF, as Capanna Regina Margherita, where the averages are -18°C and -6°C.
So, I think it's wrong to say that Italian's Alps are 'between' Oceanic and Hemiborel climate. It depends on how high the place is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.100.188.204 ( talk) 03:47, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
"Mountainous locations in some tropical countries (e.g. Indian subcontinent, Latin America, south-east Asia, southern and central Africa; often as cwb)"
Where on the Indian subcontinent do oceanic climates exist? What mountainous locations can it be found in? Is the climate (as well as the mountainous locations where they can be found) only found exclusively in the deep North? Zachorious 07:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the Atacama desert is a proper example of an oceanic rainshadow. I believe it's more similar to Namibia or Baja California, which are caused by a very different effect. Notably, the Atacama is WEST of the mountains, not east as in Columbia Basin or Patagonia oceanic rainshadows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.27.154 ( talk) 05:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
The Atacama desert is tropical dry, which it is also west coast, but tropical climate. It has nothing to do with marine temperate west coast high latitude climates.
Marine climates are bordered with medirerranean climates. The more equatorbound one goes insite a marine climate region, the more mediterranean the climate becomes. There's always a dry summer influence. London NW Europe, Vancouver NW North America, Puerto Natales / Puerto Eden SW South America, experience a slightly drier summer given the proximity with a mediterranean climate region on the equatorside.
The areas by the border between Mediterranean climate and marine climate are quite rainy, however they do have a well defined dry summer. It's more or less located by the paralel 40: Porto, Portugal; Vigo, Spain, Bordeaux, France; Northern California and coastal Oregon, US; Puerto Montt and Valdivia, Chile, The west coast of Tasmania, Australia; and the west coast of New Zealand's South Island.
Is this correct, that some highland areas above humid subtropical areas (i.e. the southern Appalachians) fall in Cfb? I always thought the C-D line (coldest month below 0°C/32°F) was below the a-b line (warmest month above 22°C/72°F), but maps seem to suggest otherwise. CrazyC83 ( talk) 15:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
How come Sydney appears in two separate climate zones?
Veluriel ( talk) 10:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Sydney (paralel 34) is subtropical east coast. It has nothing to do with high latitude west coast marine climates — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.151.114 ( talk) 08:33, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I removed the climate charts for Puerto Montt, Chile and Melbourne, Australia and replaced them with Tsitsikamma, South Africa and Aukland New Zealand to give a better spread of locations (One each for South America, Southern Africa, Australia and New Zealand.)
For the Northern Hemisphere I added a chart for Seattle, USA. There is room for another two Northern Hemisphere charts but as this climate is hardly found in Asia I think the spread is OK as it is. Booshank ( talk) 17:02, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
That place is extremely rainy, it should be included (along with Asturias and the rest of North-Western Spain). -- Taraborn ( talk) 21:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the map is incorrect. Sothern Galicia has some mediterranean influence, especially Ourense province, but northern area is totaly oceanic.
A Coruña, Santiago de Compostela and Vigo should be included in the city list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.111.155.172 ( talk) 11:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The's the point. This region is borderline with a mediterranean climate region - just like Portugal's northwest, norhtern California, Central Southwest Chile, etc.
This sub-region is marked by rain, plenty of it, howeven it has a a dry summer seanon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.151.114 ( talk) 08:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
The map, in regards to Europe, flatly contradictes the description. For example virtually all of Europe ( except the alps ) is shown in the map as an oceanic climate which is obviously inaccurate as anyone who has lived in or vistied these regions can testify! 86.33.176.57 ( talk) 07:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
This climate group has many geographical variations which can be expanded upon if we can find proper references. For example, much of continental Europe experiences regular, short summer thunderstorms, probably resulting from the warmer temperatures and lack on mountain barriers. This gives many places within this climate group summer rainfall levels that keep it from being a Mediterranean climate (Csa), even though places like Bordeaux may be borderline. Northern Europe, including most of the UK, experience much more persistant cloud-cover, cooler summers, and annual rainfall is spread throughout the year. Originally from England, I'm used to rain year-round. I've been living in Vancouver for a while tho', and the summer is quite dry compared to the UK or Amsterdam, yet the winter rain more than makes up for it (Not always tho'... it's dry and sunny right now). From what I've experienced and heard, this is typical of the Pacific Northwest. In fact, many areas can be classified as Csb because the short dry period in summer meets the lower precipitation thresholds (not Vancouver, it's just over), in spite of the fact that the annual precipitation is pretty normal for Cfa. Finally, the highland subtropical could be better explained and maybe even merits its own article (Cwa). Koppenlady ( talk) 22:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I was just thinking of creating a new sub-section for the oceanic climate page entitled "Marine West Coast climates". This which would basically describe oceanic climates that have a distinct "Mediterranean-like" drying trend during the summer months. Since this variant of the Oceanic climate is apparently found on the west coasts of some continents (and not just North America), it may warrant its own section. What do you think? G. Capo ( talk) 18:07, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Just wondering where "Average monthly precipitation during the area's driest month is below 60 mm, which would constitute a dry season month" came from. Probably needs to be cited. Koppenlady ( talk) 18:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
According to the Ushuaia article, and according to this link, the 24-hr average in the warmest month is only 9°C. That would make it a tundra climate, as the Cfc climate need at least one month with 24-hr average at least 10°C. Orcaborealis ( talk) 18:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
The capital of Slovakia has an oceanic climate Cfb according to Koppen as seen here. Orcaborealis ( talk) 19:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
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I'm a little confused about this page, epsecially the lead. It starts off saying that oceanic climate (AKA marine west coast climate, etc) is a climate. But shouldn't it be called a "climate type", or class? Or a "type of climate"? The second paragraph says of the "climate": Generally, they fall into Köppen climate classification Cfb or Cwb. Alright, but what about other climate classification systems? Is this page about the Köppen system or something more general? The way it begins suggests something more general, but as you read on it is pretty clearly about the Köppen system only. That's fine, but if so, shouldn't the lead say from the start that the page is about one of the Köppen climate classes? Pfly ( talk) 20:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
If Seattle is listed under "Notable cities with oceanic climates" (and it is), then why isn't Vancouver-BC? In fact, just before it, under "North America", Seattle and Vancouver are listed together, under the general heading of "Regions/Cities with oceanic climates". Yet under "Notable cities with oceanic climates", Seattle is there but Vancouver is missing. Portland-OR is also missing, for that matter, who is also listed under "North America".
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Puerto Montt hasn't csb climate. The driest month has a rain of 90 mm... http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Montt#Clima. Some cities like Temuco o Concepción has csb climate. I edited the article.-- Serbesa ( talk) 03:18, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
Per wikipedia standards, Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory. Not only were there lists of cities within sections of this article, which people were squabbling about within the edit summary, but there were a whole slew of graphs at the end with information from the same cities, which essentially constituted a gallery, which violated the idea of Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files. The sections headers have been retitled, and no longer use the words oceanic climate within their titles per MoS. Some extraneous text, which introduced possible European-centered POV or led to an unencyclopedaic feel were removed. Efforts have begun to source the text of this article, which have already led to some changes. The lead should read like a lead now, acting as an article summary. If more referencing can be provided, this article can be elevated to C class. Content is not the issue. Referencing is. Tags have been placed at the top of sections which still have no references. Thegreatdr ( talk) 17:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
The Csb Problematics section is poorly written. Someone with expertise in the topic who can also write sentences in good English should edit it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.57.140 ( talk) 22:04, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
I had edit the page about Csb areas, but apparently, there is no consensus, so some explanations and sources :
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/EART/images/kottek_et_al_2006_part.gif
http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad652e/ad652e33.gif Northern Portugal is not included in the Do Trewartha classification
http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/ad652e/ad652e33.gif
Cfb: Brest, Dublin, Paris, Blackpool : about 1500-1600 hours
http://climat.meteofrance.com/chgt_climat2/climat_france?73928.path=climatstationn%252F29075001
http://www.met.ie/climate/dublinairport.asp
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/averages/19712000/sites/blackpool.html
Csb: La Coruna, Victoria, Vigo, Portland (not the same criterion in the US website) : about 2000-2300 hours
http://www.aemet.es/es/elclima/datosclimatologicos/valoresclimatologicos?l=1387&k=gal
http://www.aemet.es/es/elclima/datosclimatologicos/valoresclimatologicos?l=1495&k=gal
http://monde.meteofrance.com/monde/climat?68991.path=climatstation%252F72698
Conclusion : all the edits are sourced by official data and academic authors. The rest seems to be personnal view of what should be oceanic or not. I wait for comments before editing --
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Should the current map be kept, or should it be replaced by the previous map? The second map is obviously much more detailed, but it apparently uses 0°C winter isotherm (meaning that under 0°C it's not oceanic climate anymore), while the usually used isotherm in Koppen climate classification is -3°C. The second map also includes Cwb and Cwc oceanic climates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.161.214.21 ( talk) 21:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
The cwb box at the bottom of the current map should be highlighted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew138s ( talk • contribs) 04:03, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Has this poor, suffering article really been inflicted with this bloody awful map (in which African and Mexican arid areas are painted green) for nine years? Hairy balls of the gods, will someone blow it up already? -- 2601:444:300:EA10:4D00:8B3:B520:6354 ( talk) 01:44, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
I have boldly reposted my edit changing a relative temperature difference of 14 °C as 25 °F not the original 57 °F which would have been fine if we were discussing the conversion of the actual temperature 14 °C which we are not. 76.119.63.117 ( talk) 04:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
I was reading this page doing research, and the incorrect Fahrenheit conversion of 14 °C stood out. As expressed, it is an absolute temperature, not a relative temperature: "The annual average temperature range in the British Isles is only about 14 °C (25 °F).[6] " Can the owner of this page just fix it instead of talking about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djenning90 ( talk • contribs) 08:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
The incorrect conversion of a range of 14 C to a range of 57 F was still present as of 2014-02-09. I fixed it to read the correct 25 F. -- Cbmclean ( talk) 03:56, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
In this article, all of New Zealand is classified as oceanic in the maps etc. But in the Subtropics article, northern New Zealand is classified as subtropical. Can they both be right? Kahuroa ( talk) 22:47, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone have a reference for the use of the term "British climate" as a name for the climate across the world? lumleysgreek ( talk) 05:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
This is especially the case in the Pacific Northwest region of the United States and Canada, some sections of coastal Chile, in Galicia in northwestern Spain and in northern Portugal, where conditions are wetter and generally cloudier during the course of the year than typical Csb climates this needs a reference. the reference used was just a GIF with global climmatic patterns. while being wetter is common sense, being cloudier needs proper referencing,. besides, the climate in the North and Galicia are not the same, not even in Northern Portugal just by itself, and much less when compared to Galicia.---PedroPVZ 13:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
The annual average temperature range in the British Isles is only about 14 °C This is pure nonsense; I would want some VERY good data to back it up (the link shows nothing). In half a century of living here I've never known a summer where it didn't get at least to 20 degrees or a winter where it didn't fall below freezing. My guess is that the range is at least 50% higher than this, borne out by the data here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London. 82.26.218.84 ( talk) 23:42, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Don't many subantarctic islands, especially those in the Roaring Forties close to the Antarctic Convergence, also have oceanic climates (usually of the subpolar variety)? For example, Crozet Islands#Climate claims that the Crozet Islands have a tundra climate, but the temperatures are far too high for that. That the archipelago is covered by tundra-like vegetation is due to the isolation and windiness of the islands, not the temperature, which is mostly above freezing, and there is no permafrost. On Île Amsterdam, the climate is actually quite temperate, and classifiable as regular oceanic. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 17:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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I think that subtropical highlands should have a separate article from Oceanic climate. They are so different from Oceanic climate that they should be separated. Also, much more information and details should be added to subtropical highlands section because too little of information is present now. ( Shaheen Hassan ( talk) 08:48, 23 December 2019 (UTC))
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Please amend Londons climate regarding Thunderstorms. London has frequent thunderstorms throught the Summer period as it most usually has warm to very hot summers.
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Change the reference in Marine west coast (Cfb) section from southwest Alaska to Southeast Alaska. This would also bring consistency with the Americas section talking about the Alaskan panhandle as that is also referencing southeast Alaska. This is further supported by the World map showing oceanic climate zones at the top of the page showing the Cfb climate type in the panhandle of Alaska, but not in southwestern Alaska (the Aleutians).
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I've noticed in this talk page that a few people in earlier years have disputed subtropical highland climates (especially the Cwb & Cwc classifications) being classified alongside oceanic climates or counted as an oceanic climate sub-types/varieties. So in light of that & the recent edit warring which took place in this article throughout this month, I would like to point out that there are some sources which do support the Cwb & Cwc subtropical highland climates as being either a variety of the oceanic climate or classified together with oceanic climates (e.g. https://www.callisonrtkl.com/climate-scout/zone/cwb_subtropical-highland/#, http://omeka.wustl.edu/omeka/files/original/002082bc97e1c5927def6a9c6b6870cc.pdf, https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Fisheries_and_Marine_Science/lk9LEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=subtropical+highland+climate+oceanic&pg=PA17&printsec=frontcover, https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Adapting_the_Built_Environment_for_Clima/q3qAEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=subtropical+highland+climate+oceanic&pg=PA187&printsec=frontcover) not to mention in the Köppen climate classification, they are grouped alongside oceanic climates.
I have mentioned some of these sources recently (at least the book sources) into the subtropical highland climate section because that section here didn't have much sources to support the information & I would also point out that in addition to the monsoon-influenced subtropical highland climates (Cwb & Cwc), there are subtropical highland climates which have rainfall distributed relatively evenly in all months (classified as Cfb like other oceanic climates) and they would also be considered oceanic climate varieties (perhaps almost completely identical to oceanic climates compared to Cwb & Cwc climates, but that being said Cwb & Cwc are still also considered oceanic varieties according to these sources). Broman178 ( talk) 08:53, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Heff01 I appreciate your contributions to the example list, but your note about Trewartha climate classification makes the article a bit confusing because not even a single word in this article is about Trewartha classification and how it differs from Köppen. PAper GOL ( talk) 06:00, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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