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According to Onetonycousins this is suppossedly dubious:
“ | Linguistically, "North-West Europe" consists of Celtic Europe and Germanic Europe, sharing some cultural traits (for example, a history of Protestantism and Germanic languages) dubious – discuss | ” |
What a load of tosh. The statement says "sharing some traits", it does not say that all of it shares those same traits, however that is irrelevant. Onetonycousins has to prove that North-West Europe as it is defined here doesn't share a history of Protestantism and Germanic languages.
Firstly i'll deal with sharing a history of Protestantism. Every country that the description covers: England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland, Faroe Islands, Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Germany and the Republic of Ireland - all have a history of Protestantism to some degree and almost all are Protestant majority countries. France even has a history of Protestantism - it even had a Protestant monarch at one stage. Seeing as Ireland was dominated by the Protestant Ascendancy and a Protestant parliament its wrong to claim Ireland has never had a history of Protestantism.
Secondly on languages. All countries in North-West Europe including the Republic of Ireland though excluding France, primarily speak a Germanic language as their first language/mother toungue. English is a Germanic language, as is Scots funnily enough.
I assume from your edit history you don't like the fact Ireland falls into this statement. However show me and everyone else proof Onetonycousins that the majority of people in Ireland don't speak English (a Germanic language) as their first (and in most cases only) language - and also proof that Ireland has never had a history of Protestantism. If you can do these two things the dubious tag stays and the sentence reworded - otherwise the tag will be removed.
Mabuska (talk) 22:39, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Like I said, the statement is sweeping. Believe it or not, the area called Celtic Europe in the article has a history of Celtic languages. Parts of Germanic Europe have a history of Celtic languages. The same goes for religion. The statement does not mention this, which is misleading. It needs to be qualified. Onetonycousins ( talk) 23:06, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Why isn't Greenland represented in light green on the map? Sure, it's not geographically in Europe, but as part of Denmark, I would think it would qualify in a lot of people's minds. It's also farther northeast than all the green regions on the map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.209.37 ( talk) 20:25, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
I amended the article to the following based on the reasoning in my edit summary: [1], however a well known trouble maker has since decided to revert the edit with the spurious claim that " Revert to geographical links; Northern Germany is not a polity". Rather than engage in a petty edit-war which this editor would love I've brought it to talk.
Personally the revert is ridiculous and only continues to mix geographical landmasses (i.e. Ireland and GB) with geo-political entities such as Netherlands and Denmark. Also no-one is saying northern Germany is a polity and clearly refers to the north half of the state, not some geographical landmass that once contained Prussia or anything.
Unless a proper reason is giving by Gob Lofa, and no other editors have any objections, I will reinsert the changes based on common sense.
Mabuska (talk) 15:20, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
There is a long paragraph in this article that makes absolutely no sense. It's also unsourced and most likely OR.
The original paragraph went like this:
"The definition of Northwestern Europe as correlating with Protestant Germanic Europe leads to somewhat the same definition as the geographical one above, but would tend to exclude northern France, Wallonia, Southern Netherlands, Catholic Belgium, southern Germany, Austria, and Ireland. This is because France and Wallonia, despite their historical Huguenot populations, are considered Catholic Romance language countries, while Belgium, Southern Germany, Austria and Ireland, though largely containing Germanic language speakers, are historically Catholic. Measured by the attribute of Protestantism and Germanic culture, Northwestern Europe would therefore be equivalent to the area known as Northern Europe combined with the Low Countries, much of Switzerland and Northern Germany, and minus the Baltic regions, Belgium and Ireland." - First of all this is someone's own creation and is unsourced. Second, the conclusion and theory is wrong because Estonia and Latvia are also Protestant and have a Germanic culture background.
I tried fixing the paragraph by adding that fact:
"The definition of Northwestern Europe as correlating with Protestant Germanic Europe leads to somewhat the same definition as the geographical one above, but would tend to exclude northern France, Wallonia, Southern Netherlands, Catholic Belgium, southern Germany, Austria, and Ireland. This is because France and Wallonia, despite their historical Huguenot populations, are considered Catholic Romance language countries, while Belgium, Southern Germany, Austria and Ireland, though largely containing Germanic language speakers, are historically Catholic. The definition would also exclude the majority protestant Estonia and Latvia, which also have a history of germanic culture. Measured by the attribute of Protestantism and Germanic culture, Northwestern Europe would therefore be equivalent to the area known as Northern Europe combined with the Low Countries, much of Switzerland and Northern Germany, and minus the Baltic regions, Belgium and Ireland."
But now it makes even less sense. I would just remove the entire paragraph or rewrite it in a factual way that would make sense. Clearly trying to define "Northwestern Europe" by Protestantism will not work. Blomsterhagens ( talk) 12:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Edit: There's also this definition: Northwestern Europe coincides with Protestant Germanic Europe. That would sort of work - by excluding the Protestant, but Finnic Finland and Estonia and the Protestant but Baltic Latvia. Blomsterhagens ( talk) 12:18, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Why are Sweden and Finnland considered as northwestern european, as they are racially blonde as baltics people and even geographically closer to Eastern Europe such as Estonia/Russia than to the Northwestern European countries like UK? 89.166.236.254 ( talk) 13:12, 13 November 2022 (UTC)