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Should be listed as Minnesota State in athletics articles per the current naming convention on the Northern Sun Conference standings, schedules etc. I have reverted an edit about this and will be revising entries to match the official name by the NSIC which is also the original naming from the
Minnesota State Mavericks page from 2010. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
108.171.131.160 (
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18:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC)reply
Apparently there is some confusion as to consistency. Please read and respond before reverting again. Once again, the stable, historic naming is Minnesota State Mavericks. It has been on the NSIC website, schedules, news, media guide since at least 2010. In addition, the original stable
Minnesota State Mavericks page was labeled as such.
WP:Commonsense is that it should be consistent. There is no adding of city names, dashes etc in similar institutions. IE North Dakota State, South Dakota State, Montana Tech etc. One example from the Navbox for NSIC is Wayne State College (not to be confused with Wayne State University, or it's branch campuses, or Akron - Wayne College) of Wayne, Nebraska (not Detroit) is listed as Wayne State Wildcats which doesn't follow the current formatting either. (EG it would have to be Wayne State College-Nebraka Wildcats. But yet it's not.
108.171.131.160 (
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20:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)reply
Minnesota State–Mankato/Moorhead
The schools have every right to brand themselves in any manner they see fit and the NSIC can reference them in any way that works for them. Those facts are undeniable and not debatable. Mankato brands itself and the NSIC refers to them as Minnesota State Mavericks but that is not how they are known to the rest of the world, including worldwide media outlets.
During the
2014 Football Championship Game (full replay), the Mavericks were called "Minnesota State–Mankato" the entire game except three to five times, mostly during the pregame portion, they were called "Minnesota State".
Other media sites, including Minnesota newspapers, referred to the schools as Minnesota State–Mankato/Moorhead.
You cite "worldwide media" and make several references, but they are not
WP:Notable in reference to Division 2 sports. For example, the Men's Lacrosse Association may simply use a different editorial style. Additionally, your references to USNews is for the actual university institution, not the athletics team or common name. There is no reference in either article that includes the term "Minnesota State-Mankato" precisely. The NCAA uses 'Minnesota State University, Mankato and Minnesota State University Moorhead. Within individual NCAA articles the term 'Minnesota State' is used to refer to the Mankato institution. Neither of those support your argument. Numerous other examples do not agree with your assertion that the common name should be revised or reverted to a previous change.
Some other examples using the format that the IP editor
108.171.131.160 used include:
Given that numerous national and local websites including NSIC itself, the athletics of the institution (as the primary source) and the numerous other 'national' sources that reference 'Minnesota State Mavericks' I am reverting your edits. There is insufficient evidence to suggest that the common name is NOT 'Minnesota State Mavericks' per
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sports teams). Further more the original page for
Minnesota State Mavericks was named 'Minnesota State Mavericks' when it was created on July 21st, 2010 not what you have suggested. There was also clarification back in 2012 that disambiguation was not needed then, nothing has changed that would require it now.
Wikipedia:COMMONNAME also must relate to
Wikipedia:UNDUE. These references, most notably NSIC has historically referenced 'Minnesota State' and holds higher value than these others.
Additionally, the size and nature of the two institutions are traditionally different and don't follow a common nomenclature. The Mankato institution is larger, older and was the first to be so named 'Minnesota State'. This is why it is commonly referred to as such and that there is not confusion between the two.
It seems that there are more sources that use the naming 'Minnesota State' in reference to the 'Minnesota State Mavericks (the Mankato university). Given that the wikipedia page for
Minnesota State Mavericks was named originally 'Minnesota State Mavericks', and that this form is significantly referenced in the news, I think it should stay as 'Minnesota State Mavericks' versus the alternative.
One is more well known than the other, and given knowledge and history of the two universities, the NSIC naming convention makes more sense. One is commonly referred to as Minnesota State (the Mankato university) and the other is commonly referred to as 'Moorhead' or by the shortened acronym 'MSU-Moorhead' on other websites.
This is an artifact of the history of the
MNSCU system, at one time all MNSCU universities were to be named Minnesota State University xyz. Mankato State was the first at the time and was intended to be sort of the leader of that process. After this came Moorhead State. Soon after the university campuses in Saint Cloud, Bemidji, Winona, Marshall and Metro State voted by public opinion NOT to change their names. This resulted in the names in the form that exist today. I would characterize this naming characterization as similar to
Arkansas State University or
Texas State University that maybe
Msjraz64 can relate better to.
Minnesota State University, Mankato is older, larger, has a larger endowment, has a bigger student population and is more recognizable in comparison to it's brethren
Minnesota State University Moorhead (note that the official naming conventions are used on the Wikipedia page names for the universities e.g. coma no, no coma) -
Blanksamurai (
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14:32, 9 November 2015 (UTC)reply
I did a LMGTFY to see if there other sources out there in regards to this and found some additional sources that utilize 'Minnesota State' or 'Minnesota State Mavericks':