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Please note that the correct French spelling of the région's name is Nord-Pas de Calais, and not Pas-de-Calais. The département of Pas-de-Calais, on the other hand, is spelled with hyphens, but not the région. Confusing I know. Hardouin 16:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Currently we say
To this I say "Huh?" What on earth is this referring to? Nord was part of the Netherlandish provinces of Flanders and Hainaut, and was always part of the Spanish Netherlands, and before that, the Burgundian Netherlands. Artois, which forms the majority of Pas-de-Calais, was part of the Burgundian Netherlands, was briefly taken over by Louis XI in 1477, but then reverted to Burgundy in 1492 or so (I think), as Charles VIII's bribe to the Habsburgs to remain neutral in his invasion of Italy. It thenceforth remained part of the Burgundian/Spanish Netherlands until it was annexed by France in 1659. The Boulonnais, which forms most of the rest of the Pas-de-Calais department, was French from 1477 on, at least. And Calais itself was French after 1558. So what on earth are we talking about? john k 15:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I also believe that in addition to the problem in the history section the assertion in the demographics section that the French administration has continuously oppressed the Flemmish minority culture and language violates the wikipedia's NPOV doctrine.
This statement fails recognize that the vast majority of the shift in the language border preceded any active attempt to bring this about, and indeed even a "French administration." Instead, it appears to mostly be a result of "natural" linguistic border shifting of much the same process that brought the Flemmish language into the area to begin with. The French government's current stance is simply one of indifference, not active oppression ( according to the EC).
There are two periods in history (that I am aware of) where the central French government took active steps to discourage the use of minority languages in general and Flemish in particular, the most significant being the period of national consolodation after their revolution. However this statement fails to couch the French actions vis-à-vis lingustic minorities during and after their revolution in their historical context: that the new government had concluded that the best way to ensure national unity in the transition from a (somewhat) feudal system which justified its existance with the person of the monarch to a democratic state justifying its existance based on the doctrine of the nation-state. In short, there was a very real need to create a homogenous nation for this new state, and the powers at the time decided to use language to do this (which I might note is a much better selection than, say, race). The Flemish were not singled out. All dialects in France were subject to this policy, including the Picard language in this région which is absent from the above statement.
I intend to edit that page to reflect what I beleive to be an NPOV. Take care, - Matthew Hawker 19:56, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Could either of the people currently edit waring over the flag please provide a reference for the flag they deem official. Note, I've seen photos of the ugly (logo style) new one, which is why I decided to revert to it, but it would be better to have a source to back it up as it seems to be disputed.-- Caranorn 19:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
"While the region is predominantly French-speaking, it also has two significant minority language communities: the western Flemings, whose presence is evident in the many Dutch placenames in the area and who speak French Flemish, a variety of the West Flemish dialect of Dutch, and the Picards, who speak the Picard language or ch'ti and chitimi are working to revive the nearly-extinct regional speech since the 1980s" Either French Flemish is a dialect of Dutch and Picard a dialect of French OR French Flemish is a dialect of West Flemish which is distinct from Dutch and Picard is distinct from French. I tend to prefer the second alternative as the synchronic distinction between language/dialect has proved to be political rather than linguistic unlike the diachronic distinction. The political bias is also reflected in the proposition to call the region French Netherlands. (FrFl- June 15, 2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by FrFl ( talk • contribs) 06:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I think this article could use a reference to the Euroregion page of Wikipedia. The Euroregion concept was in vogue a decade ago, but now seems to be experiencing something of a resurgence among transport economists and planners. Everybody got to be somewhere! ( talk) 15:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
The flag shown is the flag of Flandres, not of Nord–Pas-de-Calais. It has never been the flag of the region, which includes parts of other provinces besides Flandres. The regional council adopted a new flag on 19 October 2007, showing a variation of the former heart (in yellow) and belfry (in white) symbol against a blue background. There is poor image at Flags of the World. However, it appears the flag may have reverted to the logo colours in 2009 (orange heart, blue belfry; white background), but with the 2007 style rather than the pre-2007 slanted image. Skinsmoke ( talk) 12:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Is it supposed to say "Haha" in it? Seems like vandalism, but I don't want to mess up something that should be there. 140.180.240.231 ( talk) 14:07, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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