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Do you think NIN are alt. metal or is this a stupid question? Thundermaster Thundermaster's Talk 12:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
We could debate this ad naseum, but since this is Wikipedia, the important thing is a source. If we find a reliable source that says they're alt metal then fine. Same thing goes for alternative rock, for that matter. What we really should be discussing is which source to go by, since inevitably the souces will disagree slightly with one another. Drewcifer ( talk) 23:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
One more vote here for Industrial Rock. Bmc152006 ( talk) 22:36, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
This isn't an issue of you me or anyone else thinks NIN sounds like, ultimately we need to leave it up to a reliable source. And that said, this source should ultimately be discussing NIN in as broad of a context as possible, since we could quote an article about Ghosts and say NIN is dark ambient, but then we could quote an article about With Teeth and say NIN is Alt. Metal. Or Year Zero and say it's electronic music. We need to find a source or sources that describes the music in general, then attribute the band's genre to that source, rather than voting here for or the other. Drewcifer ( talk) 22:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
If these guys are industrial rock and alternative metal (which I believe they're both), then they're industrial metal too. Not pure industrial music, though. Angry Shoplifter ( talk) 07:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Nine Inch Nails IS INDUSTRIAL ROCK! They are known by everyone as Industrial Rock, and Trent Reznor says NIN's Industrial! The act is one of the pioneers of Industrial Rock, and calling it something as absurd as Alternative Rock is just a rant by someone who doesn't know about music. They are NOT MAINSTREAM, for one simple reason: they distribute music by their OWN label, not a mainstream label. They used to be part of Universal, but are unsigned now over a feud (read the article). Nine Inch Nails were NEVER labelled 'alternative'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.67.149 ( talk) 10:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
"Allmusic's Steve Huey states that "Nine Inch Nails were the most popular industrial group ever and were largely responsible for bringing the music to a mass audience."[1] Reznor has never referred to his own work as industrial music, but admits to borrowing techniques from such early industrial bands as Throbbing Gristle and Test Dept." - Some pure evidence, from the article itself.[13] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.67.149 ( talk) 10:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
from the Allmusic article for alternative metal "the grindingly dissonant Tool, the heavily production-reliant White Zombie, and the popular breakthrough of Nine Inch Nails. These bands would become the most influential forces in shaping the sound and style of alternative metal for the rest of the '90s" it also says that Nine Inch Nails is a type of industrial alternative metal this should prove that Nine Inch Nails is alternative metal —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poopmoss ( talk • contribs) 18:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that Nine Inch Nails should be put in a genre anyway. I mean, from Pretty Hate Machine to The Slip, Trent Reznor evolved a lot. It's really hard to fit all these different orientations (more metal on Broken, more electronic on Fragile....) in one genre. Yet I guess that Industrial or Alternative Industrial would work. Nine Inch Nails is not only metal, some albums like Ghosts I-IV or [With_Teeth] are clearly not metal. Silentyn ( talk) 00:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
This band is NOT industrial metal.... real industrial metal is bands like Fear Factory and Rammstein. The music this bands creates is MUCH too soft to be even considered industrial metal. Yes, i agree that they are industrial rock. Also this band IS mainstream, they have over TEN MILLION sales.... Nonmainstream underground bands from Testament, to Morbid Angel, Obituary, etc have well under ten million, at best a couple million or less. This band is a well known mainstream band, this is a fact not opinion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.148.88.135 ( talk) 01:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
On the allthemusic.com page for Nine Inch Nails, under "genres" alternative metal is listed. Also, several Nine Inch Nails tracks can be described as alt. metal so i don't see why it can't be included. LuNcHboXXXnin ( talk) 10:09, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
They're industrial not anything else -- TJMcDJ ( talk) 20:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I have rewritten the section so that it is almost completely cited. The first paragraph needs to be cited, and the whole thing needs a copyedit. May I remind everyone that this is an FA quality article, and we need to keep on top of these recent developments so as to not upset this article's status. -- Reaper X 04:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Dunno if it's just me but shouldn't something be included in this section in reference to the way that he has changed the music industry, alongside Radiohead. Not only was With_Teeth the first major studio release to be streamed online in it's entirety before release at Reznor's behest, but there was the whole leaking tracks from Year Zero and the ARG (alternative marketing), the whole Niggy Tardust experiment and now the current Ghosts release, setting a new precedent for online label less releases and his association with torrenting, both his own material and his admittance to using Oink.
Personally I believe he's done more than anyone to begin breaking the power of labels in the modern day, Radiohead's stunt was just that, a stunt, it was for marketing purposes only and they openly admit to it. Whereas the Ghosts release was always intended for the internet and was intended as a way of proving that artists can survive without labels, which it seems be be doing very well indeed. Ajp100688 ( talk) 01:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
But would this be influence? At least not yet. We should wait a few months to see if any more bands follow NIN's online trend before posting it as an influence.
would anyone happen to have anymore information about Gary Talpas to add to the page. He is the designer of a few nine inch nails album covers and the nin logo. thanks
With the release of Ghosts, many NIN fans assume the Year Zero Pt. 2 is dead. According to Trent Reznor's user profile on Echoing the Sound, teitan, the project is still in the works, and includes "many other elements". The teitan user is in fact Trent Reznor, check with the Echoing the Sound mods if infact you do not believe me. Until then, please do not delete what I write surrounding this. tribestros ( talk) 14:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Nine Inch Nails is most certainly not a band, and I think it is decieving to label NIN as a band on the Wikipedia page. On nearly almost every album booklet except The Fragile, the booklet says NIN is Trent Reznor. I'm not really quite sure what else to put there, but I do believe 'band' should be changed, NIN fits none of the categories. tribestros ( talk) 15:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
For the sake of clarity and inclusion the lead should acknowledge, that Trent Reznor is a constant, though Nine Inche Nails is commonly referred to as a "band." Nine Inch Nails can still be referred to as an "act", but needs further clarification. AtaruMoroboshi ( talk) 15:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
My local rock station (102.1 Milwaukee's Alternative) is going to be playing it tonight. They said that yesterday night Trent's "manager" (does he even have one?) called them and told them that it would be arriving, and today they recieved the single via e-mail. Also, Trent wishes to make the single free--and thus will release it for free download tomorrow afternoon. I don't know if this helps or not, but I thought it'd be an interesting bit of info.
So I have noticed alot of work going into some of the later Nine Inch Nails stuff lately, and it led me to think: what if we made Nine Inch Nails a featured topic? Let's review what we have:
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So the only criteria we haven't met are 3(a) which will be met if Year Zero passes it's FAC, and possibly 1(d). Now as for that, do you think that we could have a "gap" because we have included NIN's two latest major studio releases, but nothing before it? In that case, I think With Teeth and The Downward Spiral are in good shape to tackle, and Pretty Hate Machine would need major work poured into it. Thoughts? -- Reaper X 21:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
New album, The Slip http://www.nin.com/ http://theslip.nin.com/ Another completely unannounced album...
I think that the genres listed need to be edited a bit. Ambient industrial should be listed since that is pretty much what the whole Ghosts I-IV album is. Whiffle Ball Tony ( talk) 19:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe there may be an edit war starting over whether Broken (Nine Inch Nails EP) is considered a studio album or major studio release or something. It involves the constant changing of every studio album article thereafter having it's first line changed to indicate it is the nth studio album. Please discuss this to decide whether Broken is an EP or studio album, and prevent this silly war from blowing up. -- Reaper X 06:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
EPs aren't considered studio albums. I also don't think Reznor ever called it an album. I've heard him call it an EP, definitely. WesleyDodds ( talk) 09:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
This EP is once again the subject of edit warring. The short discography list here in this article is titled Studio albums and Broken (EP) is being added and removed from the list. A few days ago, I participated in the edit war by removing it from the list, as my understanding is that "album" and "LP" are interchangeable terms, and an "EP" is something shorter and different. This was not a judgment on my part that this EP didn't deserve mention in the section, just that it didn't match up with the header that was on the list at that time.
To try to bring an end to this edit warring, I attempted a compromise this morning. I retitled the discography list within this article from Studio albums to Studio releases and readded Broken to the list. This was to get rid of the "does an EP belong in an album list?" question, and brings this main article into agreement with Nine Inch Nails discography#Studio releases, both in the name of the list and the contents of the list. When this change was reverted my changing the name of the list to match the section in the discography article was described as "not viable" with no further explanation.
Yes, I am aware that Broken (EP) is an EP and not an album or LP; this is one of the reasons why I changed the list's header to be more inclusive. Broken is unique in the canon of NIN recordings; it is the only time that new, original studio recordings (not remixes) were presented in the shorter format. As such, it is listed in with the studio albums over in the discography article.
So now, I am going to put this article and the discography article back in harmony, and anyone that changes this needs to explain themselves here, as I have just done. I really am curious why Studio releases lacks viability. Thanks -- Foetusized ( talk) 18:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
The main page and the discography page are inconsistent when it comes to the certification for With Teeth. The discography page lists the album has having achieved 2x platinum while the main page lists it as gold. I checked the RIAA page and it says the album is Gold. So this means 2x platinum is incorrect? Mattpaige ( talk) 14:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
It's fine to have a discussion on the genres, but at least keep them visible! Titan50 ( talk) 09:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello, i would like to suggest an external link to Nine Inch Nails last.fm page ( http://www.last.fm/music/Nine+Inch+Nails). Last.fm is a user generated music platform offering free legal contents such as music and videos. They have free streams of Nine Inch Nails albums, stats, updated gigs listings about the band, etc.. As a member of last.fm staff i would like to point your attention to what we believe to be relevant and free contents for those wikipedia users interested in the band.
cheers,
Marco - Last.fm Staff - Mystical-bunny ( talk) 11:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is Trent Reznor listed as the only member? Surely Wikipedia has better sources than that...
Tezkag72 ( talk) 15:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Although this relates somewhat to a previous discussion, I strongly feel NIN should now fall under the independent music or independent rock genre.
"In popular music, independent music, often abbreviated as indie, is a term used to describe independence from major commercial record labels and an autonomous, do-it-yourself approach to recording and publishing."
- wiki for independent music
Clearly NIN now falls under this definition and it is in my personal opinion that the NIN wiki should include indie (or indie rock) as a genre for describing nine inch nails.
"Indie rock is an umbrella term to reference rock artists that are or were unsigned, or have signed to independent record labels, rather than major record labels. Originally the term was not a reference to a specific genre of rock music; however, it has come to be used often to reference the sound of particular bands and the bands they have influenced. "Indie rock" is used as an umbrella term covering a wide range of artists and styles close to rock music, connected by some degree of allegiance to the values of underground culture and counterculture. Genres or subgenres often associated with indie rock include lo-fi, post-rock, sadcore, C86, and math rock, to list but a few; other related (and sometimes overlapping) categories include shoegazing and indie pop."
- wiki for indie rock (however this one lacks citations and what not)
Indie rock is clearly an umbrella term as stated, and may be suitable for NIN
Any thoughts or (dis)agreements?
-- Tunafizzle ( talk) 00:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
"...are operating on their own distribution models..."
Ataru, How is this not independent music? I'm not trying to be insulting by any means. Again, i'll refer from the wiki for indie music: "independence from major commercial record labels and an autonomous, do-it-yourself approach to recording and publishing"
This seems to fit appropriately for the current status for Trent Reznor/NIN. If one can find a way to cite this correctly then how is it wrong? Thanks,
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11:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Should we at least mention that it is often seen abbreviated by the band as NIИ? 76.126.15.78 ( talk) 17:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I edited down the slip section. It had a lot of unnecessary stuff. I moved some info into the Album page.
It's a broad term, but it's a big description for NIN's genre of music. It's even on the list of genres for Trent. I believe that it should be listed if "metal" is even allowed to be in the list despite that most of his songs don't contain many elements of metal. Thank you.
24.130.49.219 ( talk) 06:33, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I personally think that using Industrial Rock explains that. Plus, electronic starts diving into Techno, Trance, Drum 'N' Bass, and onward. Mentioning that he has a strong influence from Industrial and Electronic music would be a much better route. Xe7al ( talk) 17:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I am currently making tour wikipages for each tour. Right now I have only began on the Pretty Hate Machine Tour Series, if you are interested please help, but do not make unconstructive edits or messing up what is currently there. It has taken me a long time to get halfway done with the page! Please do add information that is not correct! Thanks, I hope to have the whole tour thing done as soon as possible and have it linked on the NIN page! Tribestros ( talk) 20:26, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
In the article's history should be included the years (divided like: The Slip: 2006-2007), because it's very confusing. Rockk3r Spit it Out! 16:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Are the nails in Nine Inch Nails supposed to be finger-nails or hammer-nails? My inclination has always been Nine Inch finger-Nails, as finger-nails are more poignant and existential than hammer-nails. Plus, finger-nails fit better with many of the nihilistic themes expressed in the lyrics of NIN's songs - " Into the Void" is a great example here. FitzColinGerald ( talk) 11:58, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
This is absolute speculation. Please don't expand on this idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.144.150 ( talk) 21:45, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Trent has spoken about this and the name means nothing. Apparently a number of them sat around thinking up cool names, and NIN stuck. Trent has also said that the acronym looked good and worked well from a design PoV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.167.143.229 ( talk) 16:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, sorry, but I've gotta say - it stemmed from the nine-inch nails that are used to shut coffins. Tindefacto ( talk) 23:03, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone think it would be a good idea to include Nine Inch Nails' political leanings? I'm under the impression that they tend to get involved in politics, although I could be wrong, and I think it would be interesting and informative to include a section on the band's political beliefs and which party or what candidates they support in general. I personally have no idea how outspoken they actually are or who/which party they have supported or are currently supporting, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess they are generally liberal and support Obama in the upcoming election. Ideas? - Bagel7 T's 06:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Not a single word about NiN's work on Quake 1 ? (for me) Quake is like Half-Life 1 : one of the most important FPS videogame ever. Maybe one little line about it could be great. NB : today while playing Quake 1 (vanilla !) again, I learned that ammo boxes (nails :D) have a "NiN" logo on them, it was a great surprise ! :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.55.236.215 ( talk) 18:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Nine Inch Nails is a rock act. Is this a normal use of the word act. I don't know what it means in this context. I cannot find a fit in Wiktionary. Maybe a more explanatory definition is needed. -- Ettrig ( talk) 14:37, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Is it really appropriate to say that they are "currently on hiatus" as they have announced that they are touring and still adding more dates to this year's tour? After this tour is when Trent said that Nine Inch Nails would "disappear for a while". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevincarson1 ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Also, "final thoughts" is rather conclusive, whereas he says no such thing. It seems like everyone on here is taking this to be Trent Reznor's final bow. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevincarson1 ( talk • contribs) 06:27, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Why is it claimed that "a wave goodbye" is from the "Lights In The Sky" lyrics, when it's also possible they're from "With Teeth"? "Lights In The Sky" contains the words "The lights in the sky / Are waving goodbye", sure, but the lyrics from "With Teeth" seem equally appropriate: "A wave goodbye / To what you were / The rules have changed, the line begins to blur / ... / You've finally found the place where you belong"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.88.34.52 ( talk) 14:35, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Anyone could add some info about the April fool's joke album Strobelight produced by Timbaland? See here: http://www.nin.com/strobelight/ Maybe it could be in the Discography page. -- 72.0.250.56 ( talk) 21:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
It's an April Fool's joke, you said so yourself. It's not a real album and it hasn't been recorded or released in any form, so why would it be included in the Discography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.177.150 ( talk) 22:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
The reference for "Reznor has said outright in an interview on the official website that he is not done making music as Nine Inch Nails, but that he is done touring" was tour.nin.com, which definitely does not state that. So I've gone ahead and changed it to a fact tag. Until someone finds a reference to back up that claim, please don't remove the tag. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Since everyone keeps changing and reverting the dates of activity, we need to settle this. Since the band is still touring, I believe it needs to stay "1988-present." ...and there is no telling if the tour may or may not extend to 2010. Until Trent officially says he's done touring and producing music, I think we should leave it. ...and yes, I do know he said he's done after this tour. But let's just wait for the tour to end. Anyway, I'm putting a comment by that to read this first. Who's with me on this? Xe7al ( talk) 21:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
A friend of mine worked on the Metallica tour and spoke to members of the NIN/JA crew who said that there is a new NIN album ready to drop! http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/new-nine-inch-nails-album-ready-to-drop/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.167.143.229 ( talk) 16:18, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
There's still no source saying that NIN is over, and Trent's taken many breaks from NIN during his musical career, so stop with the edit war and leave the date range in the infobox as 1988-present -- Foetusized ( talk) 21:57, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Per the recent AfD concerning the Strobe Light (album) article, I've copy+pasted the content of the article here, for possible merge. Personally, I don't think 99.9% of the content is really worth keeping or merging, since the Strobe Light "album" is such a minor piece of NIN history. But here's all of the content nonetheless (un-wikified, just as code), in case someone else can find something worthwhile from it. Drewcifer ( talk) 23:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
{{afd-mergeto|Nine Inch Nails|Strobe Light (album)|01 July 2009}}
[[File:Strobelight.jpg|thumb|The fictitious album cover, featuring [[Trent Reznor]] wearing [[Shutter Shades]].|right]]
'''''Strobe Light''''' is a fictitious album by one-man [[industrial rock]] act [[Nine Inch Nails]]. An [[April Fools' Day]] joke, ''Strobe Light''' parodies elements of mainstream [[R&B]] and [[Rapping|rap]] music such as prolific producers and guest musicians. An album cover, track listing, and a message regarding the album was provided with the album. The album cover has the exact same font and color scheme as the 2008 Nine Inch Nails album ''[[The Slip]]'' and features frontman [[Trent Reznor]] wearing [[Shutter Shades]]. The attached message stated:
{{blockquote|''Download the <s>Free</s> Strobe Light EP''
To download NIN's new full-length album Strobe Light, PRODUCED BY [[Timbaland|TIMBALAND]], enter a valid email address in the fields below. A download link will be sent to you immediately. Your credit card will be charged $18.98 plus a $10 digital delivery convenience fee. Your files will arrive as windows media files playable on quite a few players with your name embedded all over them just in case you lose them. You will also receive an exclusive photo and a free email account with our partner [[Google]]'s Gmail service.
Your email will be kept confidential and will not be used for [[E-mail spam|spam]], unless we can make some money selling it.}}
After users confirmed their e-mail addresses, they received a page parodying the infamous [[Blue Screen of Death]], with the phrase "Aprl_Fls" substituted for the word "error".
==Track Listing==
{{tracklist
| extra_column = Featured musicians
| all_writing = [[Trent Reznor]]
| all_lyrics = [[Trent Reznor]]
| all_music = [[Trent Reznor]]
| title1 = Intro skit
| title2 = Everybody's Doing It
| extra2 = [[Chris Martin]], [[Jay-Z]] and [[Bono]]
| title3 = Black T-Shirt
| title4 = Pussygrinder
| extra4 = [[Sheryl Crow]]
| title5 = Coffin on the Dancefloor
| title6 = This Rhythm is Infected
| title7 = Slide to the Dark Side
| title8 = Even Closer
| extra8 = [[Justin Timberlake]] and [[Maynard James Keenan]]
| title9 = On the List (She's Not)
| title10 = Clap Trap Crack Slap
| title11 = Laid, Paid, and Played
| extra11 = [[Fergie (singer)|Fergie]] and [[Al Jourgensen]]
| title12 = Feel Like Being Dead Again
| title13 = Still Hurts
| extra13 = [[Alicia Keys]]
| title14 = Outro skit
}}
==External Links==
[http://www.nin.com/strobelight Fake ad for the album of nin.con]
{{Nine Inch Nails}}
[[Category:Nine Inch Nails]]
[[Category:April Fools' Day]]
Seeing as the only member of NIN has stated there is no new album ready to drop, is there much point in placing a piece of gossip in the article? Link Sheepdean ( talk) 20:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
hmm... I thought they were retiring...-- The other shadow 21:48, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Just found this NYT arts-blog cite about the band selling off gear, but don't have time to properly add it to the article -- [3] -- Foetusized ( talk) 01:28, 27 December 2009 (UTC)