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Navratil →
Navrátil –Relisted. Lets give it 7 more days and see if we can reach a consensus. Lynch7 17:31, 10 March 2012 (UTC) Navratil is a de-diacriticized version of a common Czech surname Navrátil. We should have disambiguation pages with original spellings of surnames, so people can actually learn something, including the etymology.
Darwinek (
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21:54, 2 March 2012 (UTC)reply
If your argument is that this a disambiguation page, then it should be at "
Navratil" (without a diacritic) because dab pages are navigation aids first. However, I would argue that, based on previous discussion of similar pages, this is as surname stub "article" with a list. (It would help if there were some article text.) The fact that there is no entity titled or widely known as "Navrá[a]til" buttresses my position. —
AjaxSmack02:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose - Some of the names on the list use the English alphabet as does wikipedia if at all possible. Readers are gong to be typing in Navratil to find names that are both using and not using foreign lettering so best if it's in standard English for our English readers and use non-English Navrátil as a redirect as is done now.
Fyunck(click) (
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23:10, 2 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Please do not remove diacritics from the lead of the page. Navrátil is a typical Czech surname and sentence "Navratil is a Czech surname" does not make any sense. Especially when we consider the feminine version of the surname, which in the USA is simply Navratil, whereas in Czech it is Navrátilová according to the rules of the Czech language. -
Darwinek (
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22:04, 3 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose. What is the point putting diacritics in the title of a DAB? It is supposed to be a navigation aid, not an etymology resource. Not many readers are using search terms with diacritics in them. Some of these entries use diacritics, others do not. So there is no issue of "correct spelling".
Kauffner (
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23:51, 2 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose clearly there are people who don't use diacritics. As this is a generalized list, it should use the non-accented form, if it is to cover people with and without diacritics, or you could delete the people who don't use diacritics...
70.24.251.71 (
talk)
05:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Support since this is a Czech surname and most of the people listed are named Navrátil. Most importantly, the inaccurate claim that "Navratil is a Czech surname" needs to be corrected.
Prolog (
talk)
12:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Support; move it to the more accurate name. If kauffner is concerned that some people are using slightly inaccurate search terms, that's what we have redirects for.
bobrayner (
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19:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment. Many more readers come through Google than through redirects. The readers Googling for the version of the name with the diacritic are usually looking for Czech-language results. Compare
Navrátil and
Navratil.
Kauffner (
talk)
18:30, 8 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose: disambiguation includes both Czech people, spelled with diacritic, and people of other nationalities, spelled without diacritic. The title should be without the diacritic, as it is more neutral and involves both groups (spellings). --
RJFF (
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14:49, 10 March 2012 (UTC)reply
This is technically not a DAB page but a stub "article" about a surname along with a list. Wikipedia frowns on disambiguation pages where there is no entity titled or widely known by the name (see
WP:DAB discussion). —
AjaxSmack02:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Support, or change category to dab - for better or worse
Category:Czech-language surnames are given in Czech, with redirects for German versions appearing in italics in that category list. By
WP:Consistency this should be the same, or go through every surname in that category redirecting to accentless German-Czech or American-Czech versions.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
14:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Support. I think modern search engines are smart enough to find "Navrátil" if someone typed just "Navratil".
D_T_
G (
PL)
22:51, 12 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Support. Despite my slight ambivalence, due to the existence on the list of more than one individual who is not a Central European but who instead has CE roots. However, as the name itself is deeply rooted in Slavonic languages, I feel it ought to be moved for encyclopaedic accuracy. --
Ohconfucius¡digame!09:05, 14 March 2012 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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