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I'm interested in moving some of the content in the pages about the Narnia books. Specifically, I would like to move the information about the 'world of Narnia' out of the places:Narnia page and onto the The Chronicles of Narnia page. My thinking is that all of the other places pages deal with parts of the Narnia world (mostly various countries and islands) but the Narnia page deals with those details plus information about the 'Narnia universe'. I think things would be more consistent if the stuff that dealt with the whole world were on the The Chronicles of Narnia page.
Another solution would be to have two Narnia pages. One for the country and one for the world in general, but this seems more confusing to me than simply using the pages that currently exist.
If either of these changes is made, we should also change the 'Narnia content box' (I don't know the right term for that thing). And move it to the top of the page (which seems to be the location most often used in book series). In its current location it is very easy to miss most of the the Narnia content.
I am crossposting this to Talk:The Chronicles of Narnia, so you might also look for responses there. Lsommerer 03:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
User:Kaleb70: "Restored reference to "resort communities"; The Horse and His Boy chapter 3 says there were "pleasure houses" along the river."
With that context, and if "pleasure houses" referred to "brothels", that would villify (or at least have been very awkward for) Aravis and Bree. But it could be explained. Aravis may have been forced to go there for whatever reason (imagine it), and Bree of course was a war horse, and whoever would have taken him there would have been a soldier. It makes sense. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 20:42, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
The article presently says, referring to intersections between Narnian time and our time: In some cases the intersections occur in different orders on each timeline. For example, an intersection occurs at the creation of Narnia and the year 1900, but on an earlier unknown date preindustrial pirates from the South Sea had already stumbled into Narnia's fifth century, one of the most confusing effects of the Narnian timeline. The relevant passage from Ch. 15 of Prince Caspian is: Many years ago in that world, in a deep sea of that world which is called the South Sea, a shipload of pirates were driven by storm on an island. And there they did as pirates would: killed the natives and took the native women for wives, and made palm wine, and drank and were drunk, and lay in the shade of the palm trees, and woke up and quarrelled, and sometimes killed one another. And in one of these frays six were put to fright by the rest and fled with their women into the centre of the island and up a mountain, and went, as they thought, into a cave to hide. But it was one of the magical places of this world, one of the chinks or chasms between that world and this. [...] And so they fell, or rose, or blundered, or dropped right through, and found themselves in this world, in the Land of Telmar which was then unpeopled. I see nothing to indicate that these pirates were "preindustrial", and therefore no reason why their entry into Telmar could not have taken place in the late nineteenth/early twentieth century of our world, after the events of The Magician's Nephew. Donald, 10.30 p.m., 16th January 2005
Does it even matter what time the pirates were from? The main point is that Narnian time and Earth time flow differently. -- Tim4christ17 11:09, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
I think this page would benefit from having something about the Christian themes of the books. Perhaps something about criticisms too(the accusations of racism and sexism, for example)? Also, it's not clear what the "To Be Written" section is about. Are these books that Lewis wanted to write but never got around to, or what? -- Raye 14:57, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
BaalShemRa ( talk) 14:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Happy to oblige. There's no question that the Narnia books treat general moral and specific Christian issues, and the articles do reflect that. But our discussion must be driven by WP:Reliable Sources. -- Elphion ( talk) 16:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
From the article: "Titles of a monarch of Narnia are: King of Narnia King of Archenland (a title given from Frank I to Frank V) King of Terebinthia (acquired by Caspian X) Lord of Cair Paravel Lord of Telmar(from Caspian I to Tirian) Duke of the Lantern Waste Duke of Galma & The Seven Isles Emperor of the Lone Islands,Burnt Island,Dragon Island,Deathwater Island,Dufflepud Island,Dark Island & The Isle of the Star. Baron of Ettinsmoor (acquired by Caspian's conquest) King of Bism (Jadis was queen with Rilian as her prince.Therefore with her death Bism is a Narnian Dominion.)" -- errors are in the original. Several nits here:
Or am I nit-picking too much? -- Micahbrwn 23:16, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Anonymous User:66.253.221.237, it seems that you used the article proper to explain why you removed and altered a few titles of Narnian kings. That isn't quite proper, as I can tell, because you are talking about things that are no longer listed in the main article. (They're not even struck through, and so is correct--normally, there should be no strikethrough in an article.) You should make notes for why you removed something in the talk portion, and you should make notes only on what remains--if there are any relevant notes--on the article's proper page. Please edit the page appropriately. I myself, as I said, don't have to books, so I don't feel comfortable editing as such, except for formatting, which is all I did before. But if it isn't changed in the near future, I'll change it myself to the best of my ability. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 04:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Where did the title Frank V come from? As I remember from the Magician's Nephew, it was Frank I and Helen's second son who was the first king of Archenland.
-- Lavintzin 22:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
While all rodents listed above are mentioned throughout the Narnia books, mice in particular are given special attention by their services to Aslan in the first book and the swashbuckling character of Reepicheep. Mice are also unusual in that they were not designated as Talking animals at creation. Some mice were given the gift of speech much later in Narnia's chronology after they chewed the ropes binding Aslan the Lion to the Stone Table. This is usually seen as an inconsistency caused by the fact that The Lion, Witch and Wardrobe was written before The Magician's Nephew.
Where's the inconsistency? -- Taejo 09:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
The Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe was written before The Magician's Nephew, but they don't go in that order in Narnian time. The One of Anonymity 00:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm removing 2 external links. Anyone have any thoughts:
They all seem reasonable to me (for what that's worth). The Jiggerbug links magically reappear every few months, and it's worth looking for other pages that they've been added to. LloydSommerer 00:26, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Use of the word 'modernize' [single quotes original to previous version of article] seems to be *not* NPOV. The term is never used in The Last Battle and smacks of editorializing. One could characterize the same plot elements as "exploiting the environment" were one so inclined.
Tell me, why is there a glaring lack of documentation on the fact that the story is a Christian allegory? Shouldn't that be documented also, as it's a fairly important fact to understand the morality of the Narnia saga.
I don't think this section should be in this article about the world of Narnia. I think the various "screenings" are more appropriate in The Chronicles of Narnia. In fact, I think they are covered there in greater detail already. Anyone else have any thoughts on the matter? LloydSommerer 18:48, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
A small note:Aslan means "Lion" in Turkish -- 85.104.135.102 22:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Could someone please check that Digory gave the fruit to his mother? I remember reading that Aslan said she would regret eating it and stopped Digory from giving it to her. I'll check in a bit if no one else does. Twipie 18:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Definitely he did, but it was a fruit from the tree that had grown from the original fruit. If he had stolen that original fruit, as the witch Jadis had tempted him to do, and given that to his mother, then, Aslan said, the time would have come when both she and Digory would have said that it would have been better for her to have died of her illness. When Aslan told him to pick a fruit and take it to her, the fruit had no such evil effect. -- Lavintzin 23:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone object too strongly if I separated out the evil creatures? (Not the wolves or the Black Dwarves, but those creatures whose natures themselves were evil: e.g. Hags, Werewolves)
I don't see anything wrong with splitting them.
I have come across a few startling finds in terms of seperate Narnia pages on here. I would assume that the original order of the books would end up being used for the Wikipedia pages, as those were the original ones at time of publishing. Using the new order by only American publishers and not in other English speaking/non-English speaking nations (I assume) should not take precedent over the original order of the books, to do otherwise could be construed as historical revisionism I would suppose. I'll stick around for a few days and see if anyone has other ideas or I might just be bold WP:BB and change them to the original publishing order, or at least refer the new order as the new distribution order. Radagast83 02:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
I think the word dwarfs is usually the accepted plural when refering to real-world humans with dwarfism, while dwarves refers to the mythical beings. Does anyone think we should change "dwarfs" to "dwarves" to clarify the destinction? JDspeeder1 08:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
My understanding is that "dwarves" was Tolkien's preferred spelling, as also "elvish" or "elven" (as opposed to "elfish" or "elfin"); he wanted to use an unusual spelling which would mean something less "twinky" (not the way he described it) than the standard (Disneyfied?—he didn't like Disney) notions. But Lewis used "dwarfs" in the Narnia books, and I think that spelling should be used here. -- Lavintzin 20:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
'Dwarves' (also 'dwarven', 'dwarvish' etc) is not an English word, it was made up by Tolkein because he preferred it to 'dwarfs'. Although Lewis and Tolkein were good friends at university, there is little to suggest that Lewis would have used Tolkein's word for more than one dwarf. To use 'dwarves' now would be to apply a modern term, derived from Tolkein to a book written before 'dwarves' was an accepted word. 82.41.241.52 ( talk) 18:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I was under the impression that Jadis and Lady of the Green Kirtle were the same person, if the cast of characters(HarperTrophy paperback) is considered canon;
"Jadis. The last Queen of Charn, which she herself destroyed. Jadis arrives in Narnia with Digory and Polly in The Magician's Nephew and has taken over the land as the White Which in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. Completely evil, she is also very dangerous, even in The Silver Chair." Jynx980 06:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Does the cast of characters appear in any other book versions aside from the set ones? Who is credited with the information? How long has it been in use? Jynx980 06:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I've had a theory about the White Witch and the Lady of the Green Kirtle for a while, but it really fleshed itself out after I watched Disney's "LWW" film. I think that it is possible that the witch could perhaps transport her spirit from one body to another, much like a demon can posses one body, leave it, and then posses another. Lewis, being the most Catholic Anglican I've ever come across, could have viewed the witches' powers as being like a posessive demon as per the Roman Catholic tradition. This would also provide insight into the "Deplorable Word" which Jadis spoke in order to destroy Charn; Could the Deplorable Word be the Narnian version of holding a seance or consulting a ouiji board? The reason this really struck me after seeing the film was that someone commented to me that the White Witch looked a lot like the Borg Queen of "Star Trek", and it has been established there that the Borg Queen is capable of saving her consciousness in a new host should her current body become compromised. 69.48.147.4 15:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I think you're right. In Prince Caspian, a hag said a witch can never really die.
Hags aren't very reliable or on the right side. I've read the Chronicles of Narnia five times and I don't see anywhere the slightest hint that The Lady of the Green Kirtle was "possessd" by Jadis's ghost or demon. I don't think Lewis would have some nonsense like this in his story. Also, if Jadis's "ghost" possessed The Lady of the Green Kirtle, then I guess she wouldn't have been responsible for her actions. If she had an "evil spirit" the good characters would have tried to cast it out. The_Little_One_Smiles 01:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)'''''''''''
While that's an interesting theory, it's still just speculation. I've read the series several times through and although I have heard similar claims in several reference books, I've never seen anything in the novels themselves that'd suggest Jadis and the Lady of the Green Kirtle to be the same person. S. Luke 19:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone cite any actual evidence of the world in which Narnia/Calorman/Archenland/etc are located being named Narnia? While Charn and Earth are explicitly named, I can't remember any line in the books or other canon source actually naming the world upon which all the action takes place. 216.228.20.138 09:58, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
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All of the books (except The Horse and his Boy) involve action in Narnia, but not all of the action takes place in Narnia. Some occurs on Earth, some in Charn, some in countries in the Narnian world that are not part of Narnia. This is the reason for the wording: "The world is so called after the country of Narnia, in which most of the Chronicles take place." Elphion ( talk) 16:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I rephrased the sentence as follows, to make this clearer: "The world is so called after the country of Narnia, in which much of the action of the Chronicles takes place." Elphion ( talk) 16:46, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Dude! I liked this page a lot! Just read it and you understand everything about Narnia!!! I would like to copy the present version into a subpage of my userpage!!! Yes!!! Srinivas G Phani ( talk) 15:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Why is there none? CUSH 06:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I made a deliberately simplistic map; it's somewhat minimal, but it indicates the basic relationships between the major areas, and doesn't violate any copyrights... AnonMoos ( talk) 21:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
The Timeline was published by Walter Hooper. My understanding is that this places Magician's Nephew in 1900, but I don't have access to a copy of Hooper to check. Lsommerer's recent edit cites Ford's Companion as placing it in 1888 -- but it's not clear whether Ford says the timeline places it in 1888, as the current version of the article says (and again, I'm away from my books, so can't check). -- Elphion ( talk) 15:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
124.148.90.172 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) has added several edits of dubious quality, entirely unsupported. These have been reverted for the time being. I invite 124.148.90.172 to discuss the proposed changes here if he or she wishes to pursue them. -- Elphion ( talk) 05:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
My sources are based on information from Narnia Wiki. -- 124.148.90.172 ( talk) 12:13, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
What I stated about the Caspian Dynasty is based on the second Narnian novel called Prince Caspian and the age changes are based on C.S Lewis's timeline that was released after the publication of The Last Battle. -- 124.148.90.172 ( talk) 06:26, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
The names for the eras on the site are guessed but the timeline of the ages are based on the regime changes which are seven in total where I deliberately left out the forth age (Dark Age) altogether. -- 124.169.103.53 ( talk) 04:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
I just placed in the Dark Age between the disappearance of the Pevensies and the Telmarine invasion but I did not edit any other era.-- 124.169.103.53 ( talk) 09:11, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Maybe that's why I left it out in the first place due to no sources other then Narnia Wiki.-- 124.169.103.53 ( talk) 04:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
The novel Prince Caspian is very clear that Caspain X was descendent from a line of Caspians beginning with Caspian I the who conquered Narnia several centuries are the pevensies as the year 1998 is stated in C.S Lewis's timeline. What happened in the 983 years between is ambiguous at best so the appropriate name for it should be the Dark Age.-- 124.150.63.0 ( talk) 10:45, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't think we need two separate articles about what most readers think is a single fictional entity. The country of Narnia can be described here just like other fictional locations from this universe are already. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
This article needs more non-plot information. If anyone should be inclined to work on that, here are some secondary sources to use which came up in the deletion discussion, relevant to Archenland but also Narnia (country):
I believe that the name Narnia was inspired by Lewis's connection with JRR Tolkien. As a member of the Inklings, Lewis heard readings of Tolkien's fantasy creations on a regular basis. Narn is a word in Tolkien's invented High Elvish language, Quenya; it means 'tale' or 'story', as in Narn i Hîn Húrin, 'The Tale of the Children of Hurin', part of the Silmarillion. Narnia would thus mean 'Story-place'. Lewis is known to have borrowed other names from Tolkien. Two major characters in his novel Perelandra - the Venusian Adam and Eve - were called Tor and Tinnidril, obviously derived from the Tolkien characters Tuor and Idril, in the Silmarillion. Urselius ( talk) 08:53, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
There's a letter by Lewis for auction at present saying "...About Narnia - yes it's a pity about the Umbrian town, wh. I had quite forgotten when I invented my country. The -IA is merely terminal as in Italia or Armenia. As for Narn, I always thought Lat. inane one of the loveliest words (purely on phonetic grounds, nothing to do with vacuity) and you couldn't get English people to pronounce it as I wanted unless you put in an R. The Nornir are old friends of mine..." This does not admit Tolkien's influence, but definitely states that the Italian town of Narni did not influence Lewis. See: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/16761/lot/158/
Please restore full history, geography, etc. there’s no information at all 47.150.217.249 ( talk) 03:07, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Narnia (world)#Consistency with other works states Lucy and Edmund are one year apart in age; the years given in the timeline for their births, 1930 and 1932 respectively, would put their ages at something more than a year
, but this is not necessarily true. If Edmund were born in December and Lucy in January, then Edmund would have been one year and one month older than Lucy; and for eleven months of the year, they would indeed be one year apart in age. --
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