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Yup, but that would include almost everything he wrote. And, if you ask me, those arrest warrants were real. So, conman is a fact, it is not "opinion".
tgeorgescu (
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18:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The problem with the warrants is that they do not show resolution. For example, the Shreve Brothers were tried and convicted for the lumber sales fraud. See Cincinnati Enquirer, 29 April 1910.
Naps Grandson (
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14:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Was Nap a con man because he advertised himself as an attorney in Chicago in the 1920s. Well, a quick Google search reveals that between 1879 and 1931 the only requirement to practice law in Illinois was a high school diploma. A license was not required until 1931.
Naps Grandson (
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14:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Novac has tried and convicted Napoleon Hill with INNUENDO when authorities were unable to do it with EVIDENCE 100 years ago. Interesting, isn’t it? Of what con was Nap ever convicted?
Naps Grandson (
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14:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't currently have time to dig into this further. The Novak ref needs revisiting given the past discussions. It was completely stripped from the article after the RfC, but is now used heavily. --
Hipal (
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00:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hill is one of the most famous American con men (a genera to be fair in which even the most famous are obscure, most can't name more than half a dozen)... No amount of sycophants and apologists can change that. None of the other reliable sources contradict Novak and he is widely published by RS. I second this comment from the RSN discussion "... I think the concerns over the Paleofuture "blog" are a bit overblown. Paleofuture may call itself a "blog" on Gizmodo, but it's not self-published livejournal or anything. From a structural point of view, it's just a normal part of Gizmodo, a news website."
Horse Eye's Back (
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04:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply
TBH Novak is the most in-depth independent reliable source I know of when it comes to Hill, the only other fully in-depth source is the bio published by his foundation which is in-depth but neither truly reliable or independent. The key point is that nobody actually appears to contest any of the Novak ref, nobody can point out a single thing that Novak got wrong... All of the main points are corroborated by other sources, Novak just goes into greater detail.
Horse Eye's Back (
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19:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Well, what Youngblood did was dig deeper than Novac with his Newspapers research. His book not only shows the articles announcing warrents for arresting Nap but ALSO the articles showing Nap was acquitted. The book makes it simple to check both sides of an argument. Jason’s credibility is moot when you can check the information directly.
Naps Grandson (
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01:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I have tried to pair down the reliance on Novak. The expert opinion of
David Nasaw in Novak would also remain usable even if Novak in general was ruled undue. For me its actually the Nasaw interview which puts the Novak piece solidly into the serious journalism categorty, Nasaw is the expert on Carnegie so what he has to say carries weight.
Horse Eye's Back (
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21:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)reply
References are provided for each claim, you might want to click upon each reference. Meaning:
WP:RS show that he was a parasite for most of his life, and he only met financial success in his old age. Wikipedia is built upon
WP:RS, so that's what our article tells. We're not here in order to
WP:CENSOR undesirable objective facts.
tgeorgescu (
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11:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Does practicing law means you have to have a license? Interesting! There was a time in this country when you did not even need a license to practice medicine! Nap needs to be judged by his time and place and NO LICENSE or LAW degree was required to practice law in Chicago while Nap was there. Naps official biographer was no more knowledgeable than Novac.
Naps Grandson (
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01:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Oh, and NAP worked as a legal clerk for Lumberport Shinnston Gas Company in 1911 which was owned by his brother-in-law, Hood Hornor. MY Dad had the same job for a time; he handled the leasing of mineral rights for the company. It is not the same as practicing law as we know it today but it was in the legal field. Anyway, the discussion by his “official” (whatever that means) biographer is moot. In the 1920s all that was required to practice law is a high school diploma. My grandfather had that, now prove my grand father didn’t practice law, and if he did, prove it was illegal at the time. The “practicing law” just accusation is used to support a false narrative.
Naps Grandson (
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01:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I do read with comprehension…my reply to that comment is how do you KNOW with certainty that he did not practice as a lawyer. He was qualified under Illinois law. Lawyers, today, still deal with leases and titles which he certainly did for the gas company.
Naps Grandson (
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01:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
That is true…still there is that letterhead on Novac’s blog that he is so proud off that reads, Napoleon Hill, Attorney at Law, #### Michigan Ave, Chicago, Illinois. This is certainly evidence that Nap MAY have practiced law, which he was legally entitled to do. Novac uses that letterhead to besmirch Nap for practicing law because there is no evidence that Nap went to law school. Incidentally, Nap was admired to Georgetown Law School but did not start as his first son Jimmy was born in June of 1910.
Naps Grandson (
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03:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Don’t get me wrong, I do not think he was successful if he tried his hand at law. He was far too busy with everything else he was doing while he was in Chicago. In just a few years he was involved with 1/2 dozen businesses. I have my own opinions about that, no doubt, biased by my father. Still, I possess most, is not all, of his letters to his wife Florence and some of his very important papers.
Naps Grandson (
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03:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply