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21st-century "classics"

Highly-cited (100s of cites) 21st-century books by highly-cited authors (and more-recent works by those same authors):

General

21st-century academically-reviewed books:

21st-century well-cited academic papers/chapters:

Nakba in culture

21st-century academically-reviewed books:

21st-century well-cited academic papers/chapters:

Nakba and genocide studies

21st-century academically-reviewed books:

21st-century well-cited academic papers/chapters:

Nakba denial / Nakba memory

21st-century well-cited academic papers/chapters:

Discussion (core sources)

Additions/subtractions? Levivich ( talk) 03:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi Levivich, happy to add here - could you explain the objective? There are many more relevant books in the article bibliography, and in google books. Not to mention the various sources in Arabic (e.g. Ma'na an-Nakba). Onceinawhile ( talk) 17:01, 22 October 2023 (UTC) reply
The objective is to identify the major books about Nakba -- the "best" sources. I had missed two books already in the article, which I just added to this list, but I think at this point all the books in the article are on this list. Did I miss any others? In addition to those, there are, listed above, books that should be cited in the article, but aren't. Are there any others? The article relies too much on not-the-best sources: newspaper articles, kind-of-obscure journal papers, etc., which can and ought to be replaced with better sources, like the major books by major scholars in the field. No doubt there are foreign-language books about Nakba as well, but I've only looked at English books. Levivich ( talk) 18:14, 22 October 2023 (UTC) reply
In that case, your list - prioritizing Pappe and Morris - is incorrectly weighted. They are absolutely core to the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight, which is the story of what the Israelis did to the Palestinians. But the Nakba is a wider topic, about the overall Palestinian collective trauma.
I can bring more sources, but we should iron this difference out first.
Onceinawhile ( talk) 20:27, 22 October 2023 (UTC) reply
I didn't really intend this list to be weighted, except that the "classics" have like 10x or 100x the citations of other books on the list, so I separated them, and then I looked for any more-recent books by the same authors about Palestine, so we can see what if anything they changed or added in their writing about Nakba since they wrote their "classics." The classics, like all classics, are widely-cited, but relatively old. That's why I think it's important to look at newer sources and not just the classics.
I don't necessarily think classics should be given more weight than newer sources. In instances where newer sources say something different than the classics, we need to pay attention to that. We need to determine if the mainstream scholarly views have changed, or if new significant minority views have emerged, or what. One example: did Nakba start and end in 1948, or did it begin before 48, and/or continue after 48? My sense that scholarship has moved on those questions since Pappe 2006 and Masalha 2012, and I'd be keen on looking at how more recent sources describe the timeline of Nakba (and also what Pappe and Masalha have said in more recent writings on the topic, including papers and not just books).
I'm not entirely sure how to handle Morris. My gut instinct is that Morris represents a significant minority view on Nakba (or maybe more specifically, the causes of the Nakba). I see that other scholars discuss Morris's views, particularly in relation to Pappe's, and both Morris and Pappe discuss each other's views, and the Wikipedia article mentions them already. I was going to see how the most recent scholarship handled Morris. It may be one of those cases where Morris is talked about in the article more than used as a source for the article (and maybe same with Pappe).
For now, though, I'm just looking to collect the most in-depth, widely-cited, reputable works about Nakba... i.e., books by scholars reviewed in some academic journal, the more citations the better. That could obviously be expanded to book chapters and journal articles, but I think books is a good place to start because they will have the most depth. Levivich ( talk) 21:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC) reply
I added some papers that had decent cite counts, reorganized the list by topic, and clarified inclusion criteria. Levivich ( talk) 16:08, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Outline

Outline

Full source citations at #Core sources

Discussion (outline)

A work in progress, but thoughts? Levivich ( talk) 22:01, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply

👍 Like nableezy - 23:19, 24 October 2023 (UTC) reply
The current structure is nothing to particularly write home about, so yeah, like. Iskandar323 ( talk) 10:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC) reply
Hired. ) Selfstudier ( talk) 12:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC) reply
Thanks! Levivich ( talk) 01:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC) reply

I'm adding to the outline links to other articles, and sub-topics (where I'm not aware of an article to link), that I think are WP:DUE per the sources listed in each outline section. Please speak up if you think anything should be added or removed. Also, as the outline will be changing, just note that folks' approval/disapproval at any given point in time may no longer apply to a later, changed version of the outline. Levivich ( talk) 01:14, 28 October 2023 (UTC) reply

I think this outline is missing coverage of notable opposing narratives, namely the Israeli national narrative which is currently covered in the section 'Opposition to the notion of Nakba'. Marokwitz ( talk) 10:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC) reply
I expect that'll be covered in historiography and memory section; I haven't gotten to expanding those parts of the outline yet (and probably won't for a while, still on the history section right now). Levivich ( talk) 22:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC) reply

I've added article links to the history section in the outline above. If anyone thinks there are other articles that should be linked in the history section of the Nakba article, or that we shouldn't be linking to something that is listed in the outline, please let me know. Levivich ( talk) 20:53, 9 November 2023 (UTC) reply

I've added a very small bare-bones start to the History section of the article, and struck through the links on the outline that are now in the article. My plan is to expand the history section until all the links in the outline are in the article, then move on to the other sections. I may move some links to other parts of the outline and reorganize the outline a bit as I go. Levivich ( talk) 05:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Redundancy

@ IOHANNVSVERVS: the text now reads The new draft was approved by the Knesset in March 2011, and became known as the Nakba Law. In 2011, the Knesset passed the Nakba Law [...] And then in the next section, In 2011, Israel enacted a law nicknamed the 'Nakba Law', [...]

Your revert didn't mention any reasoning. Surely we don't want such blatant redundancy? Did you have a different idea for how to fix it? — xDanielx T/ C\ R 13:30, 6 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Fixed. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 04:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC) reply
The sentence "In 2023, after the United Nations instituted a commemoration day for the Nakba on 15 May, the Israeli ambassador Gilad Erdan remonstrated that the event itself was antisemitic." is now duplicated, existing as the end of a paragraph and its own new paragraph immediately after. An easy edit for anyone with permission. john factorial ( talk) 16:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC) reply
Fixed, thanks for pointing this out. Levivich ( talk) 17:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC) reply

There are two discussion occurring at Talk:1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight#Haifa and Talk:1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight#Unconditional surrender at Haifa: gross misrepresentation discussing whether the article should be edited to further cover the opinions of Benny Morris. Editors are invited to participate. TarnishedPath talk 07:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 July 2024

The Nakba (Arabic: النكبة: in transliteration: al-Nakba - in literal translation: "the disaster" or "the catastrophe") is the Arab-Palestinian term for the departure, escape or expulsion of about 750 thousand Palestinian Arabs during the War of Independence (1947-1949) and their becoming refugees. Kitcat972 ( talk) 07:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Left guide ( talk) 07:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC) reply