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Tentatively done: I've changed a bunch of instances of "will" in #Production to "would" or "were" or "was". Was this what you were referring to?
Pamzeis (
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03:35, 27 September 2021 (UTC)reply
Plot length cap
Why is the length of the plot section capped at 700 words? That sounds extremely arbitrary. Some of the plot details don’t make sense without further explanation, like the fact it’s brought up the royals are also unable to fly, but it was never mentioned that other Pegasi previously thought they were able to fly.
An IP has recently been trying to add a reference to The Numbers in the infobox, claiming that "gross should be clearly sourced". I disagreed per
WP:WTC and
WP:INFOBOXREF as the gross is already cited in body and subsequently reverted. The IP, however, re-reverted, claiming that the gross was "wrong" but, FTR, it wasn't, just outdated. Any thoughts about this? Thanks.
Pamzeis (
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04:54, 23 October 2021 (UTC)reply
Your personal opinion that it was "unnecessary" does not take precedence over
Wikipedia:Verifiability/
WP:V.
The edit summaries made no mention of
WP:WTC or
WP:INFOBOXREF. It is not clear what part of
WP:WTC you think is relevant here, the information was wrong (for whatever reason) and I was challenging it, and I absolutely do care about the
accuracy of the information, don't you? Even so it is not clear that those guidelines take precedence over
WP:V either.
It also showed a lack of
good faith that my edit was reverted wholesale and that this editor had a strange interpretation of
MOS:LARGENUM and wasn't rounding down the figures. Rounding $1,518,084 to $1.518 million was a strange choice, made stranger by the decision to remove the reference. (Project film generally rounds the figures down for readability, and in most cases to only one decimal place. The guidelines are not specific about this, and it is difficult to dig out past discussions
[1][2] but in practice most articles round the budget figures down to only 1 decimal place to give a ballpark estimate, and for anyone who actually wants the precise figures the reference is usually right beside it and easy to check. I mention this because it is was so strange to see an editor arguing against including references and also restoring another odd decision in the process.)
The fact is that in many Wikipedia film articles figures such as the box office gross are and the budget are frequently inaccurate, flat out wrong, (in this case outdated) or sometimes even
entirely made up. As such leaving the figures without a clear and easy to check reference is a terrible idea. Excluding the reference makes it less likely that the figures will be kept up to date and more likely that small acts of vandalism to go unnoticed (yes some editors will vandalize budget and gross figures in small ways, who knows why they do it, but I'll bet My Little Pony articles get vandalized a lot). The Infobox is the first place the figures are shown and they should be clearly referenced, having another reference someone down the page is barely adequate, it is not preferable. I edit older Wikipedia Film articles too, and it is clear that editors used to think it was fine if a source was linked anywhere in the article at all, and often there will be no inline reference and the only link to Box office mojo would be in the External links section, but including inline references is clearly so much better and easier for anyone who wants to check the figures are accurate or up to date. Nonetheless there are still plenty of editors who care deeply about style over substance, who get upset about italics in the wrong place in a reference, and it would not surprise me if there are some that agree with your definition of "unnecessary" and think it looks better or actually believe removing the inline references from the Infobox is an improvement.
While we are on the subject of inaccurate numbers, the BBFC says the runtime of this film is 91 minutes
[3], not 90 minutes that some other sources claim. (
Template:Infobox_film#Runtime specifically recommends using the BBFC.) You might like to believe runtimes were simple and uncontentious and wouldn't need an inline reference either but with even the theatrical release having multiple different runtimes (2D/3D/4DX) not to mention the home media release (PAL or NTSC), runtimes are not so simple. Even apparently simple things often need inline references.
I wouldn't even say you were wrong, I'd say including the reference makes for a better article. Thank you improving the runtime reference in the Infobox. --
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23:54, 25 October 2021 (UTC)reply