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This article needs a substantial re-write, at the moment it reads like a poorly written true crime book not an encyclopedia. One Night In Hackney 303 10:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
i dont think i agree but i do agree on that it needs some filling. and more descriptions.But i guess it needs a re write.-- Matrix17 10:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
You think my writing sucks?? :) ۞ ░ 06:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
This article is a terrible mess. Ridiculous inconsistencies in formatting, immature writing style, lack of context for some very important remarks, and sloppy section delineation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.229.118 ( talk) 23:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Partially to address the above concern, and also because this article is more about the murder than Sharer herself, I propose we move this to Shanda Sharer murder case where we can include background on her and the killers, instead of awkwardly spreading it over 5 articles. Perhaps Melinda Loveless should remain a separate article but I'm not really sure yet. -- W.marsh 23:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
For what it's worth I'm slowly writing this article at User:W.marsh/Shanda Sharer murder case. I've just gone through one source so far, I still need to do the other book and the newspaper articles at the very minimum. Doing this article right is not easy. -- W.marsh 14:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm it seems someone's already done the move. I should point out the article is very incomplete at this point. I hadn't intended for it to be moved into the article namespace yet. -- W.marsh 12:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
This has got to be one of the worst articles on Wikipedia. And that's saying a lot. It's like a novel about Larry Loveless. Is this some ploy to show that the murderers are just abused victims themselves? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.186.247 ( talk) 04:04, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
I think some biographical info could be merged into the description of the events or the following prosecution, but to me, much of the biographical information about the girls seems unnecessary and seems to break the flow. I wanted other feedback before deleting it and merging it with the rest of the article. Bali88 ( talk) 13:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Storing the bio info here "temporarily"
She was born in New Albany, Indiana, on October 28, 1975 to Marjorie and Larry Loveless. [1]
Through most of their relationship, Larry was unfaithful and abusive to his wife. Marjorie attempted suicide several times throughout her daughters' childhoods. [2] When Melinda was nine years old, Larry had Margie gang-raped, after which she tried to drown herself. After that incident, she refused him sex for a month, until he violently raped her as their daughters watched. In the summer of 1986, after she would not let him go home with two women he met at a bar, Larry beat Marjorie so severely that she was hospitalized; he was convicted of battery. [3]
The extent of Larry's abuse of his daughters and other children is unclear. Various court testimonies claimed he fondled Michelle as an infant, molested Marjorie's 13-year-old sister early in the marriage, and molested the girls' cousin Teddy from age 10 to 14. Both older girls said he molested them, though Melinda did not admit this ever happened to her. She slept in bed with him until he abandoned his family when she was 14. In court, Teddy described an incident in which Larry tied all three sisters in a garage and raped them in succession; however the sisters did not confirm this account. Larry was verbally abusive to his daughters and fired a handgun in Michelle's direction when she was seven, intentionally missing her. He would also embarrass his children by finding their underwear and smelling it in front of other family members. [4]
In November 1990, Larry was caught spying on Melinda and a friend, and Marjorie attacked him with a knife, sending him to the hospital after he attempted to grab it. She then attempted suicide again and her daughters called authorities. After this incident Larry filed for divorce and moved to Avon Park, Florida. [5]
-- LukasMatt ( talk) 13:09, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't normally participate in these talk pages, but I wanted to let you all know that the bios seem to be pulled from the book Cruel Sacrifice by Aphrodite Jones. I don't have time to add all the additions right now, but Google books has the book searchable and it should make it pretty easy to substantiate if someone has time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Veteranbv ( talk • contribs) 20:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
From " Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests#Murder of Shanda Sharer":
I am nominating this article as it needs c/e and a full review of the prose overall.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:58, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, BabbaQ:
I am handling your copy edit request for this article. As I read through the article, I will make minor changes to it directly. I will list lots of other suggestions here on the "Talk" page. Feel free to comment on any suggestion or to ignore any suggestion.
You can also (slowly and carefully) make changes to the article based upon a suggestion while I am still copy editing (approximately one week to complete).
From the "Talk" page, I've noticed that several people have a "vested interest" in the article. Please respect the "GOCEinuse" template and do not edit the article while it still appears. Thanks.
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LukasMatt (
talk)
03:17, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
"The case was covered on national programs..."
In its present form, the Infobox reminds me of a grave marker. I wish the Infobox "fleshed out" Shanda or the incident a little more. Could contain these parameters:
-- LukasMatt ( talk) 10:38, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
So what is this edit guild thing? I'm thrilled that people have taken an interest in the article. I haven't had the time to research the case well enough for a full rewrite. Bali88 ( talk) 18:50, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
The Wiki article "St. Paul Elementary School (Louisville)" no longer exists. It redirects to " Louisville Catholic elementary schools", which does not contain St. Paul Elementary School or the apparent new name "St. Paul Parish School". Therefore, I've removed the internal link. If desired, here is the external link to the school:
Readers would probably be very interested to know why Shanda transferred from Hazelwood Middle School "early in the school year".
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LukasMatt (
talk)
23:00, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
"In 1990, 14-year-old Melinda Loveless began dating..."
"Loveless started to date an older girl"
"arranged for her to transfer to a Catholic school"
"arranged for her to transfer to a Catholic school in late November, and the girls started drifting apart"
-- LukasMatt ( talk) 17:20, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Again, no transition. This time--from the "Events prior to murder" section to the "Pre-abduction" section. What's the connection between Tackett and Loveless?
"drive the four girls to Jeffersonville, Indiana, where Sharer lived"
"with a dull knife"
-- LukasMatt ( talk) 03:48, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
No suggestions
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LukasMatt (
talk)
12:29, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
"drove to the burn pile"
"Now let's take her pants off"
-- LukasMatt ( talk) 14:29, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
No suggestions
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LukasMatt (
talk)
03:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
The quality of the article starts to decline in this section.
Readers would definitely like to know details about the forensic evidence (such details are readily available on the Internet).
Zero mention about the arrests of Lawrence and Rippey.
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LukasMatt (
talk)
09:28, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Bali88, BabbaQ, and 68.12.186.247 regarding the Larry Loveless material. Therefore, the "People involved in incident" section has been deleted with its contents distributed as follows:
-- LukasMatt ( talk) 13:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't know what to think about the "Timeline". Personally, I would rather delete it and include a photo gallery of the four girls.
Even though the "TimeLine" includes a vague "Lawrence accepts plea bargain", the article text says nothing about her exact sentence. Readers are especially interested to know Lawrence's sentence because the article seems to describe her as the least willing participant in the attack and the only suspect to contact the police.
Readers want to know the exact mitigating circumstances that caused a 10-year reduction in Rippey's sentence, especially given that she was a very active participant in the attack.
Where were Lawrence and Rippey incarcerated?
"Instead, Loveless will be eligible for parole in 15 years, thus maintaining the original guilty plea."
"Small stated that he would seek to have jurisdiction..."
Any appeals by the other convicted girls?
"both women could possibly walk out of prison in 2022"
Toni Lawrence was released from where?
"On April 28, 2006, Hope Rippey was released" and "She will remain on supervised parole for 5 years"
-- LukasMatt ( talk) 04:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
No suggestions
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LukasMatt (
talk)
16:01, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
When I tried the Dr. Phil external link "In Cold Blood: A Daughter's Brutal Murder", I could not access the entire website. I did not flag the link with a {{dead link}} template, though, because I can't imagine that the site is dead.
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LukasMatt (
talk)
01:46, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
This article overuses the Jones book Cruel Sacrifice (26 out of 49 citations--53.07%), especially in sections "Shanda Sharer" through "Mitigating Factors" (25 out of 30 citations--83%). Good scholarship relies upon multiple sources. If the sources disagree on an important point--fine...the article can mention the disagreement.
Besides the David Lohr source, which the article cites three times, I also encountered these web pages that cover the Shanda Sharer story in detail:
I'm not saying that they are reliable sources. At a minimum, they may provide interesting information for additional research. -- LukasMatt ( talk) 02:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
There is another case out of Floyd county that is quite notable: the David Camm case. He was prosecuted for the murders of his family by the same prosecutor as in this case, a guy by the name of Stan Faith. Faith's conduct in the Camm case was absolutely ridiculous. Hiding evidence, fabricating evidence, lying about evidence, fabricated credentials for witnesses. He refused to run DNA through codis, then lied about it and said he did, then tried to get the DNA analyst to testify that it was actually camm's DNA. Then tried to get her fired when she wouldn't lie on the stand. Then when you think it couldn't get any worse, they find the guy and it turns out he's actually a client of Stan Faith. Crazy story. Anyway, Sharer's mother works as a paralegal for Stan Faith. I'm not sure if she worked for him when her daughter was killed, but she has worked for him for years. Camm was acquitted recently and filed a $30 million lawsuit a few days ago against Floyd county, Indiana, and a number of people, including Sharer's mother, Jacque Vaught. I have a feeling she probably wasn't involved in any wrongdoing and her name will get dropped from the suit, but potentially this could be an interesting and notable piece of information to include. I'll watch to see what happens. Bali88 ( talk) 03:31, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Sharer's mother works as a paralegal for Stan Faith
lawsuit...against Floyd county, Indiana, and a number of people, including Sharer's mother, Jacque Vaught
Despite the gaps and occasional inconsistencies, this article is very interesting. After somebody implements the suggestions listed here from the GOCE review, you might consider nominating it for "
good article" status.
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LukasMatt (
talk)
05:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
"Toni Lawrence was released on December 14, 2000, after serving 9 years"
If the murder occured in January of 1992 and Lawrence was released in December of 2000, that only adds up to 7 years 11 months. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.78.25.119 ( talk) 16:25, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
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Was there any kind of remorse from the girls that did this horrible thing?? They are all released from prison, way too soon, in my opinion they should have got the death penalty!! I wonder what kind of lives they all had, cause little Shanda didn't get to have a life!! This whole thing makes me so mad!! It was not only one death, but also the "life sentence" of the girls father, and his death!! I don't think there was "justis" here. 107.77.194.82 ( talk) 14:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)