Can a section on the voice-over actors be included? -- In Defense of the Artist 22:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The storyline may not have intended to be canon because they've taken all of the old rumors (like Ermac MK1 appearance, Goro being a secret character in MK2) and put them into the storyline of Shaolin Monks. Ed Boon himself said it in his interview before the game was released. -- Dark Rain
If you can source that statement, that a re-worded version should probably mentioned in the article. The Haunted Angel 18:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't know how can I source it but I heard Ed Boon say that on one of the videos either at IGN or Gamespot. There's also many reviews saying something like "explore the rumors" or something like that. I do believe that it is one of the videos that was made before MKSM was released.-- Dark Rain
I think the article needs to be changed to say that the game may or may not be canon to the storyline. The simple fact is that fans are assuming that the game -- Iamstillhiro1112 23:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)is non canon, which may be true, but there was no official statement from midway that said the game is non canon. Certain pieces of video game storyline gets retconned all the time and the storyline just retcons the comic book but still holds up to the rest of the series. I think for the sake of neutrality and to be more accurate we need to say that the game may or may not be canon to the storyline.-- Subzero961
most of the game is not canon. simple as that. anyone who thinks it is, doesn't know anything about the MK story. for one, Scorpion wouldn't attack Kung Lao and Liu Kang because he's not evil, he's neutral. that's just one of many things.
"[...] or even downright silly and idiotic [...] "Free Princess Melewski" [...]"
That message is not idiotic. It's a in-game tribute to the lady who did the voices for most of the female characters. I think it should be changed -- DragonMaster 02:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
These two
"I'm not here to tell people what's popular- I just come out here to tell the truth"- "Rowdy" Roddy Piper
Clearly the poster below has spoken about the actual Shaolin Monks game than the actual mythology of Mortal Kombat. If you are a Mortal Kombat fan, why don't you look into it's mythology also rather than the storyline raised in Shaolin Monks? Quite apparently, your arguments, while good, only support the game, and not the actual mythology of Mortal Kombat. What's even more distressing is your arrogance in the line "I shaprly disagree with the person who has posted below me, who clearly has no idea what he is talking about". When people contribute their thoughts and opinions on the matter, they do not come to be criticised or mocked or being told that they "do not know what they are talking about".
You have raised some good point in concern of the game. The other posters however only discussed how Shaolin Monks didn't have the elements that Mortal Kombat fans were told and "believed" in. The scar issue has been one of those things: In the game, Kung Lao gave him the scar. In the mythology, it was the Lin Kuei. The mythology of Mortal Kombat has been around LONGER before Shaolin Monks. Midway probably wanted to do something different, so therefore Shaolin Monks is released- a new game that looks at the "what if" possibilities. Perhaps that's all what Shaolin Monks is: An exploration on what could have happened but didn't.
Look, in all fairness to you, you've raised some points and I respect the fact that you took the time to contribute whatever you had with the rest of us. Quite apparently, your thoughts and viewpoints may provide a wider look into the game (eg: The Noob Saibot thingy you posted was GOOD) and allow others to accept the fact that this is a different game that just technically carries the Mortal Kombat II sticker. However to say things like "he doesn't know what he's talking about" really isn't appropriate and fair to others.
And while you're at it, you should also take into account the difference in viewpoints: you're talking about the game, they're talking about the mythology of the game. There's a difference between the two.
Hi, I'm the New Era Outlaw, just typing up to add my two cents here.
I currently own the Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks game, and I could tell you that many of the disreprancies (sp?) fans have with the game are indeed, correct, as outlined in the cutscnes of the game:
- Scorpion actually does want to kill Liu Kang and Kung Lao in the game. In the Netherrealm area, when you descend the third staircase, a cutscene featuring Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot will be triggered. Before he leaves, he warns the shaolin monks about Scorpion, saying "he wants to kill you." Also, at the end of the Netherrealm area, you fight Scorpion not once, but twice, and you will receive a Tournament Victory for defeating him. In this game, Scorpion does try to kill you (and will, if you lose to him), and no reason is given as to why he does.
- In Shaolin Monks, Kitana is under a spell (in the cutscene that follows your first fight with her, Raiden states so himself.) This is further evidenced by the fact that you are given the opportunity to break the spell in the fight against Kitana, Jade and Mileena (the objective being to weaken Kitana and place her between two statues, all the while evading Jade and Mileena and preventing them from freeing her.) If you succeed, the spell over Kitana will be broken, and you will have to fight the remaining assassins.
- In response to the reply below, remember that the events of Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks are not canon to the Mortal Kombat II storyline. Characters that make later appearances in games (such as Jade, Reptile and Baraka) all die in Shaolin Monks, which, if held to be true, should result in said characters being absent from future games (or their re-appearance explained.) However, this is not the case, they do appear, and they are clearly not resurrected characters in the MK storyline. Also, Shao Kahn also dies in the ending of Shaolin Monks, which if true, means no Mortal Kombat 3, since there is no Shao Kahn to attempt to merge Earthrealm and Outworld.
- Just because we as gamers do not know of Noob's identity does not mean that Sub-Zero may not have already known this. Noob-Smoke's ending in Mortal Kombat: Deception may be the result of Sub-Zero's curiousity in finding out his brother's schemes. Also, there has been little interaction between the two in the series until Deception, but that, by no means, means that there is no connection.
I am sorry, but I shaprly disagree with the person who has posted below me, who clearly has no idea what he is talking about. I do agree with the points raised with regards to Shaolin Monks' questionable canon, and I am a longtime fan of the series, who has done his research on the matter. and, in terms of resources, I will be most happy to contribute them (when I have the time), but, until then, the talk page should suffice.
I agree with the fact that the resources and the information should be footnoted and all to classify prufication in the information, yet the arguments presented all make sense. If you're a Mortal Kombat fan, you'd know a great deal of Mortal Kombat itself, and the issues raised in the video game do not match what MK Fans had known for so long. I mean, Scorpion does NOT seek to kill Liu Kang or Kung Lao AT ANY TIME: He serves as Sub-Zero's protector after abandoning his mission for revenge. Kitana was never under a spell of Shao Khan's and so forth. It doesn't make sense: if she was under Khan's spell, then why would he gain Shang Tsung to create an evil version of Kitana (which is Mileena) when Kitana, under his spell, is already evil?
Yet I do agree with the contention of the neutrality of the reaction page. The sources should be noted, however the information and arguments presented are in general very true.
Fan reaction, as a whole, is hard to cite anyway. Most reactions come from internet forums and peer reviews. Still, nothing in the Reaction section is personal opinion. It's a fact that a lot of the game was changed--particularly the "deaths" of certain characters. King Zeal 16:04, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
And Sub-Zero wouldn't know that his brother was Noob Saibot- how does that work out when he doesn't know of his brother's whereabouts until they supposedly encounter in MK: Deception?, this game states that Sub-Zero knew that Noob Saibot was his older brother. This was never mentioned throughout the games series- we don't even learn of Noob's identity until Deception.
The reaction page shares the general viewpoint that Hardocre MK fans would agree to. No longtime fan would agree with the points raised in Shaolin Monks, so I think the reaction page should be kept- even if the resources aren't stated- by general opinion, the issues raised in the section are true and correct- they're just lacking the resources.
this page should be updated
I don't have the game nor the money to puchase it. I created the article a while back by scrapping together any information I could get off the Internet. Anyone out there who has the game and time to throw in some new information would be greatly appreciated ( Notorious4life 03:00, 29 September 2005 (UTC)) RENT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ilikevideogames 15:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Nuetrality tag posted by ( Notorious4life 01:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC))
Anyone who's going to type stuff in the Reaction section, please include a cite for a notable source, so that what you have type does not appear or come off as a biased opinion. The Reaction section should not sound like an unprofessional compilation of opinions from those who may or may not have liked the game. The average person's opinion does not provide much credibility or information as far as an encyclopedic entry is concerned. Please cite and use professional opinions so that this section can be credible and factual.
I don't know if people have realised this, but there is one big thing you need to remember.
When MK2 was released originally, Midway couldn't really flesh out the storyline. MK:SM does. Then people complain that X is wrong, and Y never happened.
It's worth noting that many of the details assumed by fans to be canon from this era of the games (I.E. the original trilogy), are generally stuff that fans came up with themselves, and Midway didn't come out & say it wasn't canon, so people believed it was true, such as the Lin Kuei scarring Sub Zero - Midway never staed this as fact, it was assumed by the fans. However, some of these instances (Like Noob Saibot's identity) are adopted by the game.
Many things have logical explanations such as Scorpion wanting to kill Liu Kang & Kung Lao - He saw them fighting alongside Sub Zero, and would have considered them a liability to him gaining revenge on Sub Zero.
The only contendable things about the plot, are factors like Jade, Kano, Baraka, Shao Khan & Shang Tsung dying, then appearing in the later games; but they wouldn't be the first Mortal Kombat characters to return from beyond the grave - Scorpion & Liu Kang, anyone? Besides, at the end of the game, Quan Chi picks up the Dragon King's amulet - It can be assumed, that it posses Onaga's ressurection powers, but in a very limited form.
If you think about things, instead of just saying "Nope, that's wrong" you can generally find an explanation.
"When MK2 was released originally, Midway couldn't really flesh out the storyline. MK:SM does. Then people complain that X is wrong, and Y never happened."
"such as the Lin Kuei scarring Sub Zero - Midway never staed this as fact, it was assumed by the fans. However, some of these instances (Like Noob Saibot's identity) are adopted by the game."
"Many things have logical explanations such as Scorpion wanting to kill Liu Kang & Kung Lao - He saw them fighting alongside Sub Zero, and would have considered them a liability to him gaining revenge on Sub Zero."
"Jade, Kano, Baraka, Shao Khan & Shang Tsung dying, then appearing in the later games; but they wouldn't be the first Mortal Kombat characters to return from beyond the grave - Scorpion & Liu Kang, anyone?"
"Besides, at the end of the game, Quan Chi picks up the Dragon King's amulet - It can be assumed, that it posses Onaga's ressurection powers, but in a very limited form."
"If you think about things, instead of just saying "Nope, that's wrong" you can generally find an explanation."
- The Haunted Angel 19:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
First of all, you say that Scorpion trying to kill Liu Kang and Kung Lao was explained by seeing them with Sub-Zero, no that was never said in the game, Sub-Zero just says that Scorpion wants to kill them. First of all, Scorpion is generally a neutral character who wants to just take revenge on the ones who killed his family and clan. No one else.
MK2 is about an Outworld tournament which is to distract the Earth Warriors while Sindel is resurrected. Shaolin Monks is about Shang Tsung trying to use Liu Kang and Kung Lao to overthrow Shao Kahn. Also the deaths have been confirmed by the MK Team to be non-canon and "just done for show", so thus the entire story of Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks is undone as Shang Tsung used those dead souls to give him more power in this game. Also Kitana's bio mentions her secretly meeting with an Earthrealm Warrior causing suspicion from Mileena, but instead we just get her under a spell. Also we don't get any allusions to Sindel's impending resurrection, it's all just tossed aside and ignored. Also tell me why does Quan Chi at the end, show up with tatoos that he got in Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance (it specifically said so in MK:DA's Konquest mode) and about Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot. It specifically says in Noob-Smoke's MK:Deception ending that Sub-Zero and Noob did not see each other since before Noob became a wraith.
Just wanted to notify that I planned on making two corrections to this section:
1) Edit out "There is no actual tournament in Shaolin Monks." because there actually is. It's referenced to on numerous occasions throughout the game that Liu Kang and Kung Lao are taking part in the Outworld tournament, and you obtain several "Tournament Victories" for defeating certain bosses. It's a requirement for progressing in the game.
2) Edit out "Instead it is implied that his Mortal Kombat Trilogy story is taking place at the time." (referring to the younger Sub-Zero brother). This is an utter fabrication. No mention is ever made of Sub-Zero betraying the Lin Kuei clan and being hunted by the Cyber Ninjas in any manner whatsoever. True his actual MKII storyline is never referenced, but neither is his MK 3/Trilogy storyline. Implied or otherwise.
I agree with Point 1. Liu Kang says "We'll(he and Kung Lao) be competing with each other, then." - The 4th Snake
Ugh, forgive the obnoxious length of this post. However I feel that some much needed changes be made to the “Differences” section of the Shaolin Monks article in the name of factual accuracy, and I want to back up my changes a thougroughly as I can.
Looking over this section again it seems to me that while yes there are certainly items listed here that qualify as legitimate differences, I've also noticed many supposed "differences" that have some severe holes in the logic behind them, not to mention in a few instances factual accuracy. Upon closer scrutiny it seems to me that many of these items listed suggest that whoever cited them did so intending to find differences and plot holes where there are none. I'll list them here along with my own comments.
*Kung Lao's original story was that he did not want to be the Champion of Mortal Kombat and was more of a quiet, brooding, reluctant hero who only fought when he had to. Instead, Kung Lao is depicted as being arrogant and shows resentment towards Liu Kang for winning the Mortal Kombat tournament and desires to be Champion himself.
This one's fine, if a little nitpicky as Kung Lao's character was up until recently kept somewhat vague. I'll let it slide.
*Liu Kang was not present when the Tarkatas attacked the Shaolin Temple, his Mortal Kombat II bio made this very clear. In the game, he is present and helps fight off the Tarkata.
Fine.
*Raiden is said to warn the Earthrealm warriors of what is happening, but also according to his Mortal Kombat II bio, he disappears after doing so, believed to have ventured into Outworld alone. Here, Raiden (although actually a disguised Shang Tsung, but still nonetheless a change) guides Liu Kang and Kung Lao through Outworld, thus the Raiden disappearing is never known until the end of the game when originally, all of the Earthrealm warriors knew that Raiden had disappeared.
No where in Raiden's bio does it specify that the Earthrealm warriors knew of his disappearance, which is what the writer here is basing this “difference” around. His bio in MKII merely states that he disappeared. In Shaolin Monks he still disappears, however Liu Kang and Kung Lao are lured into Outworld by Shang Tsung in the guise of Raiden, which is not contradicted by the MKII game at all (it DOES however contradict the MKII comic). This isn’t a difference, it’s an elaboration.
*The final battle in Mortal Kombat goes about differently according to the Mortal Kombat II comic. After Liu Kang defeated Goro, becoming the new champion of Mortal Kombat, Shang Tsung challenged Liu Kang to Mortal Kombat, forcing all the other fighters into an alliance. Kano, Sonya and Johnny Cage fight an enraged Goro at the Pit while Raiden along with Scorpion and Sub-Zero fight Shang Tsung's army on the beach. After Liu Kang defeats Shang Tsung, the island begins to crumble and Liu Kang escapes on his own. Scorpion fights with Sub-Zero, killing him and then turns to ash. At the Pit, the bridge breaks and Goro, Sonya and Kano all fall to their apparent deaths while Johnny Cage manages to grab onto the edge and is saved by Raiden. In Shaolin Monks, the fighters are all at Shang Tsung's palace fighting one another, Scorpion vs. Sub-Zero, Sonya vs. Kano, Johnny Cage vs. Reptile, with no mention of Liu Kang defeating Goro. Kung Lao, who was disguised as a masked guard saves Liu Kang when Shang Tsung tries to devour his soul and then fights with Baraka, who was never confirmed to be at the tournament either. Just as Liu Kang lands his Flying Kick on Shang Tsung, Goro comes out and attacks all the Earthrealm warriors.
This is comparing Shaolin Monks to the MKII comic book. The storylines and character portrayals in the comic books and movies have always been completely different (and thus irrelevant) from the video games' continuity. The only reason an exception is being made here is that the MKII comic in question was written and drawn by John Tobias himself (co-creator of the MK games/franchise). It is argued that at the time of its writing that it was intended to be a part of the video games' story but has since been invalidated by Shaolin Monks thus constituting a "retcon" or story difference. I'm personally up in the air on the subject. However what I don’t understand is why is the difference cited only quibbling with the opening of both the comic and the game when the ENTIRE comic is invalidated by the entire game? Why isn’t the comic itself listed as being contradicted? That's what I propose be changed; rather than quibble over just the introductions (and waste a ton of space summerizing it), it instead simply be said that the story of Shaolin Monks completely contradicts the story of the comic.
*Shang Tsung opens a portal and escapes to Outworld with Goro, Kano, Baraka, Reptile, and most strangely among fans, Scorpion following him through. It begs the question as to how Scorpion could've gotten back to kill Sub-Zero and why you see Reptile on the Pit bridge later on.
This is the final sentence of the above paragraph, however I feel it should count as a separate difference. Apparently the timeline of Scorpion's murder of the elder Sub-Zero has been slightly changed; instead of killing him at the Tournament as has been long established, Shaolin Monks states several times in dialogue that Scorpion kills him just shortly after the tournament (possibly in the direct aftermath, during the other warrior's escape).
*In his Mortal Kombat II bio, it is stated that Shao Kahn was the one who gave Shang Tsung his youth back which set Mortal Kombat II's story into motion. In Shaolin Monks, he gets his youth back at the Soul Tombs.
This is a case of "just because it isn't shown or mentioned doesn't mean it didn't happen." Once again the reference to Shao Kahn granting Tsung his youth is a vague allusion in the written text that constitutes the MKII story that can be interpreted in a number of ways. The MKII story flatly states that Shao Kahn has Shang Tsung's youth restored. In Shaolin Monks the player perceives the game entirely from the perspective of its heroes (Kang and Lao), whom barge in on a ceremony conducted by several Shadow Priests that restores Tsung's youth. Now the MKII story text never specifies that Shao Kahn personally restored Shang Tsung's youth. It's entirely conceivable that Shao Kahn granted Tsung permission to undergo the youth restoring ceremony that we see taking place in Shaolin Monks. This seems to me to be an alternative interpretation rather than an outright alteration. An alteration would be if the game made clear that Tsung had gone over the head of Kahn and gotten his youth restored without Kahn knowing of it and disapproving of it. If that were the case, then I would leave the difference cited as is. But it isn’t, hence my problem with this part of the article.
*Aside from a brief mention of the character, there is no further information about the impending Sindel resurrection in Mortal Kombat Trilogy.
Um... why would there be? That's an event that doesn't occur until MK3/Trilogy, so why would there be mention of it in a game that takes place largely in between I and II? Aside from the possibility of foreshadowing, which is purely optional to the writer at this stage in the story. After all, the same event wasn't mentioned in MKII so why would it be in a game that's mainly a lead in to it?
*There is no mention of Sub-Zero's mission to complete his brother's failed assignment to assassinate Shang Tsung.
Once again "just because it isn't shown or mentioned doesn't mean it didn't happen." Though in this case I will concede that it is very bad writing to not acknowledge such an important story event (whereas the quibble regarding Shang Tsung's youth restoration was a minor detail). However even though it’s never mentioned, it’s also never contradicted either. And in anycase it can also be argued why would Sub-Zero, an assassin for a highly secretive clan of ninja-esque warriors, just rattle off the details of his current assignment to two random monks he just met?
Why Goro is killed by Johnny Cage in the game?
*Goro is not thought to be dead after Mortal Kombat, nor does it seem he goes into exile until he reemerges in Mortal Kombat Gold, since Kitana and Mileena know where he is.
I agree that there is a change here, though I disagree as to what that change is. Goro is still seemingly killed (which is the point where he goes into exile). What's changed however is WHEN this event occurs. It had originally been established in MK lore that he was thought to have been killed in the first Mortal Kombat tournament. Now it's been moved to a battle in between the first tournament and the Outworld tournament. That I would list as a difference. What's listed here is that the story was changed to where he never went into exile, which is certainly not the case.
*In Noob-Smoke's Mortal Kombat: Deception ending, it is mentioned that Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot have not seen each other since before Noob Saibot became a wraith.
Agreed.
*Quan Chi getting the amulet at the end of the game spurred a huge controversy among fans of the series. It is believed that Quan Chi had it since the end of Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero. Here, it is rather strange that Shao Kahn has it and Quan Chi gets it from him.
Once again agreed.
Other controversial matters:
*The reasons behind Scorpion's boss battle has been highly criticized by fans, who felt it was out of character for Scorpion to just go after Liu Kang and Kung Lao all of a sudden. This made it look like Scorpion had an evil alignment, even though Scorpion is meant to be a neutral character throughout the course of the MK timeline.
Okay.
*Kitana being under a spell: The official Kitana and Mileena comic book (which is based on the Mortal Kombat series, and was approved and written by John Tobias) does state that Kitana was under a spell, but it was a spell to make her forget whom she truly was (as Shao Khan wanted her as his daughter). In Shaolin Monks however, Kitana is under a spell that makes her evil and under the "faithful command" of Shao Khan. This actually never happened.
Once again this is a difference from the MKII comic rather than the actual games, which I’m still iffy on. However in this case there are some major factual errors here. I have the MKII comic and no where in it does it specify that Kitana is under a spell of any kind. This is a complete fabrication. And further more in Shaloin Monks, where Kitana IS under a spell, no where does it say that the nature of the spell is to make her purely evil. It does point out continuously however that the spell has affected her memories. So it would seem that whoever contributed the above to the article had reversed the facts around to create a difference where there is none.
It has never been said one way or the other whether or not Kitana had been placed under a spell in MKII in either the Tobias comic or the game (all the game says on the matter is that she was deceived by Kahn, which like many of the problems I have with the differences cited, is a vague allusion that can be interpreted in a number of different ways. Shaolin Monk’s claim that she’d been placed under a spell isn’t a difference, it’s an addition made to the story. Whether or not it’s a NECISARY addition to the story that strengthens or weakens it is completely beside the point; that’s a matter of individual opinion, not a story difference that can be factually disputed.
*Jade, Ermac, Reptile, Scorpion, Baraka and Kano's deaths.
All fine here except for one significant detail: Scorpion's name should not be on that list. It's absolutely inane to count a character's death as a "controversial plot point" when its been more than firmly established that said character is undead and able to just come back from each successive "death" time and again.
*Kung Lao scarring Sub-Zero with his hat: This is non canon to what really occured. The real mythology of Sub-Zero states that Sub-Zero was scarred during his escape from the Lin Kuei. It is not clear whether or not Sub-Zero met Kung Lao during the second Mortal Kombat (which is unlikely, since he was focused on completing his brother's failed mission) and on the begining of Mortal Kombat 3, Sub-Zero makes his unmasked debut with the scar. Plus, there was no official backstory on what happened (though it is through popular belief that Sub-Zero's scar came from the Lin Kuei).
I don't know why this is listed as a "controversial matter". Contrary to popular opinion, it’s never been officially stated in MK lore how Sub-Zero acquired his scar. Apparently this is thought by many to have been officially explained by a line in Sub-Zero's MK3 bio that states he had been "marked for death by his own clan". Many fans interpret this has meaning that the Lin Kuei had literally "marked" him with his signature scar. However its been officially stated by Ed Boon (co-creator of MK) that the line "marked for death" in Sub-Zero's MK3 bio was meant to have been read figuratively; marked for death is a common figure of speech meaning "to place a bounty on one's head". Hence this should not be listed as a difference, as this is an issue that has yet to be explained at all until now. This cited difference even admits that it has yet to be officially explained;
Plus, there was no official backstory on what happened (though it is through popular belief that Sub-Zero's scar came from the Lin Kuei).
Popular belief is irrelevant. The whole assumption over the origin of Sub-Zero’s scar is purely “fanon”. This is similar to the argument over Kitana’s spell; it’s a matter o fan opinion not fact that can be backed up with information derived from the games (or even the Tobias comic if we are to count that). This is a section that should detail factual differences, changes, and discrepancies between the stories of both games. This isn’t a story change, its fan disappointment that something they had long assumed turned out to be just that; an assumption. I also have a problem with this part:
It is not clear whether or not Sub-Zero met Kung Lao during the second Mortal Kombat (which is unlikely, since he was focused on completing his brother's failed mission)
Ah but they DID meet; in both Shaolin Monks AND the MKII comic, which is a source cited for many of these “differences”. Why is it that that comic gets brought in to back up a claim to a difference but quietly forgotten when it suits the complaint?
*Quan Chi already bearing his tattoos.
Definitely agreed.
For the time being I'll make the corrections as I've listed above. If anyone disagrees with my logic and/or the validity of my information, feel free to post your thoughts and corrections. I very much love and appreciate this site as a database for accurate and factual information and feel that as registered users we have an obligation to keep the information as accurate as possible for every article, no matter how obscure or trivial.
You, my friend, are a genius. I completely agree with this. - The 4th Snake
I agree and you wern't kidding that WAS long Ilikevideogames 15:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
It says in the booklet that there are English, French, Spanish and German spoken languages, but I don't see how to choose one in the optîon menu.
I thought maybe changing the language in the configuration menu of my PS2 would work, but it does'nt seem to work either...
Could someone help me? Thanks
'''New Mode Discovered'''
I checked out mortalkombatonline.com it says there's a survival mode can someone test this thank you
I noticed someone removed the image gallery and integrated them into the game - was there a particular reason for that? The gallery was a better option than having atopical images scattered around the article. Virogtheconq 14:08, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Is Shaolin Monks only An Adventure game or there is the option to fight 1 vs 1? And if this is possible can you do it in single player or on multiplayer only? And how many characters are in the versus game?
There is a versus mode which you can access from the main screen, and theres about 7 or so characters, not sure the total amount. - The Haunted Angel 16:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
There are 8. Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Scorpion, Sub-Zero (2nd costume is Noob), Johnny Cage, Reptile, Kitana and Baraka. - The 4th Snake
Each character also has one or more Fatality. Ilikevideogames 15:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
The four main things are:
1. That Shaolin Monks is non-canon. In most cases this is stated without providing proof.
2. That all deaths are non-canon. People die all the time in MK. Scorpion's story revovles around him being dead and out for revenge.
3. Goro not being killed by Liu Kang. I don't think this has been said here. You don't have to kill your opponent to become the champion. In Conquest and the game continuity the Great Kung Lao didn't kill Shang Tsung.
4. That the game takes place between MK and MKII. It is MKII. Kahn's tournament. Kintaro. Kahn turning to stone after being defeated. All this is in MKII. There are three points to this: 1. As someone said "tournament victories" is the term for defeating an opponent in MKSM. 2. If Kintaro dies before MKII, Kahn wouldn't resurrect him. He didn't with Motaro. Why would he with Kintaro? 3. Kahn's defeat is different in MK3 (the whole green energy thing). Why would one thing happen twice then another happen for the third defeat?
My suggestion for explaining the resurrections of the characters would be an action/adventure remake of MK3. Kang and Lao could be the main characters again and it could explain Cage's death. Probably killed by Motaro. - The 4th Snake
I know he was killed by extermination squads but, to me, it would seem better if he would help you in the game against one and Motaro would appear, fight and kill Johnny and escape. And, Angel, are you by any chance on the Midway boards? - The 4th Snake 19:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry. I haven't been there for a while. It was Infernal_Angel. Oh well. - The 4th Snake 19:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I see that you like Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and Metal Gear Solid. You're cool. - The 4th Snake 19:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I came up with the name when I joined MGS:TUS. I thought someone else would have it. Glad not. - The 4th Snake 19:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, since the anon editor absolutely insists on removing the "non-canon" bit, I have to ask the question: what is the exact evidence that Shaolin Monks is not canon? EVula 20:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok Im going to use this talk page, Im the guy that keeps removing it because I think its inaccurate to say that its non canon without any official word that determines whether or not its canon to the storyline. Trust me I can see why people believe its not canon, but video games retcons their existing storylines sometimes (even within MK) and I think unless someone can find evidence of a midway official saying its not canon that we should include that it may or may not be canon.-- Subzero961
Ok, Ill give my take on it, Im in a little rush to make it to the polls so Ill be glad to further my point a little more when I get back if necessary, but here goes.
1.) Yeah Im aware that the characters who are alive died in this game and the one character that was supposed to die (Mileena) ended up living. However even though its lame this can be explained that Shao Kahn resurrected them all. We know he has the power to since he resurrects Mileena for MK3. Is it lame, yes, is it also an explanation, I would think so.
2.) Costumes havent always made sense in MK. In MK Armageddon Reptile should be in his lizard form from MKDA rather than his MKSM look. Yeah I realize his lizard form is his alt, but then that would mean his MKSM costume isnt canon. Either way one costume doesnt make sense, its just there for fun and doesnt necessarily mean anything. Or what about Noob Saibot, he has a costume that shows him with black skin and one that shows him with white skin. The actual look shouldnt be read to much within the actual storyline, its just to make characters more fun looking in the game in my opinion.
3.) I think this is one piece of storyline we have to ignore. There is no way for this to make sense that I can currently think of. Its really the only thing I personally think they messed up on.
4.) This is what I got for Kung Lao's MK2 bio, I dont really see a contridiction of the bio and him wanting to be MK Champion.
"A former Shaolin Monk and member of the White Lotus Society he is the last descendent of the great Kung Lao who was defeated by Goro 500 years ago. Realizing the danger of the Outworld menace he joins Liu Kang in entering Shao Kahn's contest."
5.) Its one of many unanswered questions in MKSM. Its something that is implied that it happened, just like you dont see Scorpion kill Sub-Zero but you know its implied that it happens. Not every little detail gets explained in Mortal Kombat.
I think your main problem in the game is that there are lots of contridictions (which I agree with). However I still havent found how this messes with the whole mythology of the games. Like I said the amulet doesnt make sense and I personally think should be ignored. However it really just replaces the comic book and alters a few biographies in MK2, it really doesnt affect the storyline much (if any) beyond MK2.--Forrest
Instead of arguing about whether it should read canon or non-canon, why not write what the MK team stated - that the storyline was designed to be accepted as canon within the rest of the MK universe. I can't remember which interview that was from, but I know it was from one of the pre release ones. You can also add on the end 'However, the game itself contains many elements which are consider non-canon'. Angel Emfrbl 18:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hit up the MK Online "Fight Night" chat/interview interview with the MK design team here:
http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/kom/transcripts/MKSMTEAM_10-03-2005.txt
They state pretty clearly that Shaolin Monks is meant to be taken as canon, minus most of the boss deaths which were thrown in purely for fun.
Right away there that nixes most of the "main" plotholes that supposedly exist in this game. Granted there are still a few more legit ones, but they are largely of the nitpicky variety (like Quan Chi's tattoos). Add to that that this game is told ENTIRELY from the POV of Liu Kang and Kung Lao, allowing for NUMEROUS previously established plot points that were not acknowledged in the game to still occur.
Also a word on Reptile: This gets glossed over a lot (and I mean a LOT), but it bears repeating: Reptile at his highest evolved state (that we've seen him in) has the OPTION of donning a human DISGUISE. He can (and has) dropped the disguise numerous times throughout MKII and MK3 (look to any of his fatalities, and his acid spit special), before he began his "de-evolution". His de-evolution meant that not only would his reptilian form change, but that he could no longer don his human form, and also would lose his intellect and memories.
In other words: there's nothing "non-canon" about Reptile appearing minus his human disguise in Shaolin Monks, especially when his reptilian form in this game (minus the new costume) is nearly identical to what it looked like when he unmasked in MKII (where this game falls before/into chronologically).
Hope any of this helps out some. Fuad Ramses 22:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
I think the article needed a major revision. For one, the development section wasn't really about development, but a grocery list of storyline inconsistancies. I merged all that stuff into the reception line. And I made a few more edits. Trying to make the writing look a little smoother, removing unessesary lines/words. I think the line about buddhist monks being offended that Raiden looks like a buhdist god should be clarified, like naming something specific they are angered at. Maybe the fact that he's a violent god. Whoever added that line should revise it. Also, I tried to group all the complaints about characthers together, rather than being scattered in many places.
I have issues with many of the parts of the reception section. Wikipedia, not being a place for a collection of fan made beliefs but rather facts. It consists largely of fan held beliefs. Other issues I have is :
I have issues with other parts of that article section, but these ones are the only ones I feel like addressing now.-- Iamstillhiro1112 02:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The reception section is gonna need more work tho. It states alot of stuff about people not liking storyline changes, it's redundant, and any differences in the storyline or character portrayal should be worked into the "Differences between Shaolin Monks and the Mortal Kombat storyline" section. You can mention that fans didn't like some storyline differences but you don't need to name which ones specifically, especially since it recaps the previous section. Plus the theme of the section goes from positive reception, to negative, to positive, to negative. Might wanna keep those together to make the article flow better.-- Iamstillhiro1112 23:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Jade: Come on, do you believe that a warrior with invincibility powers (which she uses in both MKSM and MKT) can die so easily by being stabbed with sais in the eyes after being impaled by huge spikes a few times (a trap which you use to defeat her)? I really really don't think so. Besides, if you go back to that arena where Jade died, there is no corpse, only a pool of blood.
Reptile: Come on, his race is evolved from water creatures (Seen in MKDA Krypt koffin QV) and his race is a reptilian race. Reptiles have the ability to regenerate their tails and lost limbs right? So, if Zaterrans (a.k.a. Raptors and Saurians) are evolved swimming reptiles, they can regenarate broken bones as well. And floating on the water won't make Reptile drowned, as his race are evolved from swimming reptilians.
Goro: Come on, do you think Johnny Cage's shadow kick can kill Goro that easy? In the intro, the kick did nothing so I don't believe Goro died in Wastelands. Well, he bled a lot but that doesn't mean he died. Kombatants bleed a LOT.
Kano: Because it was a secret fight, I don't believe that fatality is canon.
Baraka: Well, that was the Soul Tombs and he got impaled by Soul Swords and nearly fell into the Soul Well, so I believe that there is something about Baraka's essence be kept at the swords. He may get a new body forged in the Flesh Pits.
Shang Tsung: His MKA bio says that people who pledged their soul (including him) will return from beyond death as long as Shao Kahn lives. His bio is kinda like Tsung never got resurrected before so I'll believe that Shao Kahn kept the soul-pledgeing as a secret.
Kintaro: Soul-Pledging. Flesh Pits.
Shao Kahn: Kai's MKA ending says that Shao Kahn died in MK2 so I'll believe Shadow Priests kept him alive. Dmr2hn1 20:39 01.05.2007
Some of those seem like good explanations worth noting. And alot of it is verifiable. -- Iamstillhiro1112 19:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
"Shang Tsung: His MKA bio says that people who pledged their soul (including him) will return from beyond death as long as Shao Kahn lives." I think would fit in the article, with a screenshot of the bio as evidence. If there is a explenation for some of the character deaths/ressurections it can't be overlooked due to some peoples prejedice that this game should be classified non-canonical.-- Iamstillhiro1112 22:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
The word demise means death and Shao Kahn clearly said that his defeat in MKT left him weakened. (In his MKD bio) Kitana did say "You killed her!" but don't you think that she just thought that Jade was killed? Armageddon endings are non-canon the way they show future, canon the way they show the past. Shang Tsung did mention there are other people who pledged his soul to Shao Kahn. I don't think Mileena has a soul. Kitana said something like that in MKSM. (Although it was Shinnok who resurrected her.) Dmr2hn1 16:17 02.05.2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.214.35.210 ( talk) 13:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
"Long ago I had pledged my soul to the emperor. That pledge was binding even beyond death. But if he were to die, so too would those who served him. At the time I believed it to be merely another empty vow, yet here I am. My soul has returned from beyond to rejoin Shao Kahn." It sounds like it is inclusive of more than one person. Especially "if he were to die, so too would those who served him".-- Iamstillhiro1112 22:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. Dmr2hn1 15:49 03.05.2007
I don't have to name names, but the generalization can be noted. And it can be up to the reader to make their own conclusions. And if you feel the need to fill the article with more arguments then you can include Shang Tsungs apparent shock at being defeated yet again. But I reccomend against it, this article is one sided enough already. If you ask me, the whole storyline differences should either be scrapped, or it should be cut down to notable differences with references provided for the ones remaining.-- Iamstillhiro1112 18:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, the fatalities are mentioned non-canon and to be in the game just for fun. I have written the explanations because some of those characters may survive their appearant deaths. Dmr2hn1 16:46 08.05.2007
Do you have the source for that Dmr2hn1? That definately should go in the article.-- Iamstillhiro1112 19:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
It is said in that Fight Night chat, and the link is up in the "For Heaven's sake..." section of this page. Dmr2hn1 10.05.2007 16:25
Already found it and posted it on the page.-- Iamstillhiro1112 16:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Ed Boon said in that Fight Night chat that the amulet in MKSM doesn't have to be the same amulet which Quan Chi got in MKM so I'll believe that the amulet in MKSM is the fake one which Shinnok used in MK4 but failed because it was a fake. Dmr2hn1 20:41 01.05.2007
Mileena says: "We were given a spell to control her." so this spell is new, used for controlling the renegade princess who has been seen talking to an Earth warrior. Mileena also said: " Jade was my... Kitana's best friend. Until Jade was forced by Shao Kahn to hunt her down and bring her back." This means that Kitana has indeed learned of the truth about her real parents and allied with Earth warriors, this resulted her being captured by Jade and Mileena and be put under a controlling spell. Dmr2hn1 20:44 01.05.2007
There seems to be a inconsistancy with the game. I see that the Reptile bio in MK2 says that Reptile was Shang tsungs servant during the first tournament. It seems to imply that MK1 was the 1st tournament. It could also mean that he was his bodyguard for a long while up until MK2 or whatever. MK1 was said to be the ninth tournament. So I just replaced all mentions of "first tournament" to first Mortal Kombat game.-- Iamstillhiro1112 22:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, Goro supposed to of won the tournament from the Great Kung Lao. so that means there was tournaments before the first MK game. I guess that must mean that there was a tournament or two before the tournament Goro defeated KL in for him to of been a champion then. Which means there has been more than 9 tournaments. So it might not be possible to number the tournaments. I think mentioning MK1 by game name is the way to go.-- Iamstillhiro1112 15:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Remember, when he first saw Liu Kang and Kung Lao in Outworld, he escaped to the Netherrealm, and he already knew them from the tournament. So we can see that he didn't actually want to kill them. But later, when Shang Tsung lured the monks into the Netherrealm, of course Scorpion would want to kill them, as they were there to kill him. And since he could teleport like in the game, he could easily have watched the conversation between "Raiden" and the monks. Dmr2hn1
Hmmm this does seem to make sense, so he was only doing it for his own protection. That clears up alot of things. Issac —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.253.162 ( talk) 21:10, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Remember the Eye of Chitian from Mortal Kombat Special Forces, the stone that could open portals? Jax brought the stone to Earthrealm with Kano when he teleported to Earth from Outworld. He could easily have kept the stone in the Special Forces HQ, and later taken it with him to Outworld to easily get back. That easily explains the portal he opened in Shao Kahn's prison where Sonya was kept. And the Eye of Chitian could also be their starting point for the portal technology in MK3. Dmr2hn1
I modified the part describing the emulated MK2, because it gave the impression that it's not present in the PAL version of the game for any platform. On the contrary, I know for a fact that MK2 is present in the PAL Xbox version. I unlocked it on my original PAL Xbox version just minutes before modifying the article. Devil Master ( talk) 14:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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