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The use of éminences grises in the section heading for modern influential scholars seems to be less than WP:NPOV. Additionally that term has strong negative connotations/associations (such as with Cardinal Richelieu) and is not the best description of these individual's position/role in Mormon studies. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 23:07, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
As the article stands it seems to me there are two things missing.
From time to time one sees references to "foundational beliefs" of, e.g. Scientologists, Mormons and other groups. The notion seems to be that it doesn't really matter whether these stories are true, it's OK for a religion to operate on an accepted set of beliefs because they "set the stage," so to speak, for what follows.
This seems to me a perfectly sensible way of looking at the many and varied folklores there are around, not all of which, obviously, can be true.
The other set of questions seems to me to surround the question of the debunking of Mormonism, particularly by a variety of aggressive Evangelical Christians who, it would seem to me, perhaps ought to think about glass houses from time to time.
Whatever. The fact remains that the Mormon Book of Abraham is quite clearly a work of fiction (as is, e.g., the Abrahamic religions' Book of Genesis), which doesn't bother me at all, but ought to have its place in the array of subjects for apologetics.
David Lloyd-Jones ( talk) 08:16, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm having trouble understanding the criteria for listing in the lists of selected scholars. I've thought of other people that probably should be added (Maureen Ursenbach Beecher, Linda King Newell, Richard E. Bennett, Richard P. Howard, Donald Q. Cannon, William D. Russell, etc.), but I'm concerned about making the list too long, thereby becoming unusable and dominating the article. Why not list all contributors to Mormon studies, including authors on Mormonism, LDS religion professors, and bloggers? Surely they would all add up to hundreds (perhaps thousands). Maybe if through defining the criteria I can understand who belongs and why some are in the selection and some are not.
This seems like the current criteria:
This is where I'm starting from. I think I'd like to trim this down a bit (see my italicized notes above) and then add a few other heavy weights. If these lists get too long it may need to be spawned into its own list-article. And I'm also not sure how to judge the "of preeminence" list, but I'll leave that for another discussion. —— Rich jj ( talk) 20:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
(I've copied and pasted--with its emphases mine--the basic text at wp:SCHOLAR below.)
Would such an approach satisfy the arbitrariness Rich jj mentioned?-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 20:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)Academics/professors meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable. Academics/professors meeting none of these conditions may still be notable if they meet the conditions of WP:BIO or other notability criteria, and the merits of an article on the academic/professor will depend largely on the extent to which it is verifiable. Before applying these criteria, see the General notes and Specific criteria notes sections, which follow.
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At least the ones among them that are not red linked and who write/research etc. w/rgd LDS movement topics (for another random sampling)
Might include (at least per a passing comment by Davis Bitton LINK?):
Hi, some of my librarian co-workers requested that I help improve this page. I had my student worker update some of the descriptions on the list, but I think the page would be even more useful if it contained some kind of description about the history of Mormon studies. Do you agree, and do you have sources you'd recommend for this? We have some books, but if you happen to know of a good source for the history of people writing about Mormon history, I'd be much obliged. Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 15:03, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
(Ditto regarding material about various experts' takes as to what parameters Mormon studies has (or else should have).). Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 22:28, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
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