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Where is it written that Mick has a Criminal conviction? Bankruptcy is not a crime. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 14:29, 13 January 2017 (UTC) he has a criminal conviction for the Shannon protest Aerchasúr ( talk) 17:47, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
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==Views on China=- Mick Wallace's unusual views on China and downplaying genocide should be included in the bio.
The lead summary serves as an introduction to the article summarising the topic, in this case Mick Wallace. Many people have forgotten why Mick Wallace was notable in the first place. Refer back to the creation of the article in the first place and Mick Wallace's role as a larger than life property developer and football club chairman. Financefactz ( talk) 14:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
The specific facts relating to the Italian Quarter properties are not important, in fact its only mentioned once throughout the article. StairySky ( talk) 16:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
User:CeltBrowne A lead is supposed to summarize what a person is famous for, it is not a collation of facts and opinions intended to make intended to make the subject of the article look bad. You've very selectively picked out everything that you think is negative while ignoring everything else. That's tendentious editing. StairySky ( talk) 19:15, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
I’m currently away from home for a few days and I’m typing this on mobile so for forgive me if this is more basic than my usual replies
StairySky, you’re half right. The lead paragraph is supposed to cover what the subject is most known for, but must also accurately reflect the contents of the article itself and not introduce things which are not picked back up in the body of the article. I actually initially wanted to include a reference to Wallace’s (and Daly’s) work on Gardai whistleblowing. However, as I was doing it I realised there’s very little in the body of the article about that. Hence I added a bit more, but that section needs to be expanded so it can be included in the lead.
You suggested that that the lead should reflect what the subject is most known for; if we were to ignore what I just said, if that were the case the current version of the lead would be more or less completely in line with that idea. Whether covered favourable in eastern media, or negatively in western media, the vast, vast, vast majority of coverage about Wallace has come since 2019 from his foreign policy views. If we were to look at 100 articles on Google news about Wallace, 89 of them would be about his views on international affairs, 5 about his tax affairs and the remainder would be about Wexford FC and his political projects pre 2019. When researching for the lead I actually saw more articles about Wallace’s attire than anything he did in the Dáil.
So, as I say, if the lead is only meant to discuss what he’s “famous” for, it works as is.
However, even I am not fully happy with it. I do myself want to include a line about Garda whistleblowing but my issue was I couldn’t find an overall summary or timeline covering that whole topic. Without an article giving an overview, an editor would have to through dozens of articles spanning over several years to come up with their own summary. Of course the issue there is doing that summary might actually fall afoul of your own definition of original research.
So to summarise; as it stands the lead /is/ what he’s known for. Wallace’s tax issues have not only been extensively covered in the media, but we’re also the catalyst for the breakup of the United Left Alliance and the break from Daly from the Socialist Party into an alliance with Wallace, which proved to be a longstanding development. Wallace’s foreign policy views and the reactions to them have accounted for the vast amount of coverage he has received in his career and no lead could not address that. And finally, the lead should include a mention of his work on Garda Whistleblowing, however this is difficult to do because it has to be built up in the body of the article first.
Sin é CeltBrowne ( talk) 22:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
PS: per BRD guidelines, what I’ve done is made a bold edit, which is encouraged. BRD makes clear that if you object to the bold edit, the onus then shifts on you to *refine* the bold edit, as Ser did. Using the revert button to roadblock the entire edit is not how editing works. Reverting would only be correct if it was impossible to improve upon my bold edit. The correct process is for my bold edit to be restored and for you to make the amendments that you feel it requires, as I already explicitly spelt out in an edit summary. CeltBrowne ( talk) 23:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
There's nothing wrong with saying something like "In recent years Wallace has gained attention for his foreign policy views" in the lead, the problems occurs when the lead is turned into an inflated mess with some serious pov tone issues, which is exactly what you turned it into. I'm completely open to these things being mentioned in the lead, so long as it done in compliance with WP:NPOV and WP:LEAD. StairySky ( talk) 14:54, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm completely open to these things being mentioned in the lead, so long as it done in compliance with WP:NPOV and WP:LEAD.
In recent years Wallace has gained attention for his foreign policy views, a bland and vacuous statement which makes no mention of what kind of attention he has received, would NOT reflect my sources, because my sources make clear that, domestically, the response to Wallace's views have been overwhelmingly critical. CeltBrowne ( talk) 21:10, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Your addition was completely unsalvageable
In recent years Wallace has gained attention for his foreign policy views which have sparked controversy
I mean take the line "the former property developer Wallace promptly established a reputation for anti-establishment and populist rhetoric", you've got to be mad to think this is neutral wording. StairySky ( talk) 15:01, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Please explain how
In the aftermath, many left-wing Irish politicians distanced themselves from Wallace, but in solidarity, Daly resigned from the
Socialist Party and remained closely linked with Wallace
breaks NPOV or otherwise warrants removal. If your reasoning is that the lead is "bloated"; please look at other properly written lead sections such as
Rishi Sunak or
Jeremy Corbyn which are several paragraphs long.
Also, when I said
In recent years Wallace has gained attention for his foreign policy views which have sparked controversy
was "fine, but", the most important word there was the but. I suppose I should have "except for the fact that" or something. Anyway, as I already made the point that what I had written was better because it gave context as to why things happen. Your version is not an improvement, and in fact, is worse.
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Corbyn and Sunak are very different cases because they are worlds away in terms of notoriety when compared to Wallace
The article is about Wallace, not the political partnership between Daly and Wallace, its not pertinent to the lead.
One of our editors thinks that Wallace has been described in his wiki-bio as a far-left tax resister. I can't find anything supporting this claim. Can anyone else? Burrobert ( talk) 12:40, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
Is there reliable sources that call him a 'tax resister'? If not then it shouldn't be in the article. Edit If you search 'Mick Wallace tax resister' it gets zero results. StairySky ( talk) 07:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)