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Why were negative articles about michael chertoff from nationalvanguard.org and david dukes web site removed? Should there be pro as well as con articles on Michael chertoff?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnagod ( talk • contribs)
I find this article unbalanced. I agree with another commenter that there may be too much detail about his ethnic origin in comparison with Chertoff's activity in the United States, especially his service as Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. I agree that the portrait is chillingly unflattering.
As a policy researcher on environmental and regulatory policy, I was struck by the one-sided nature of the section criticizing Chertoff's waiving applicability of environmental laws in constructing a fence or otherwise controlling the U.S.'s southern border. For example, the Sierra Club has criticized the obstruction of free migration of jaguars. In addition to absence of explanations or balancing articles about whether or how full implementation of the laws was compatible with border security, this section omits aspects such as "environmental devastation in the Arizona borderlands caused by illegal immigration and drug smuggling" ( [1]) [User_talk:nnamelet|(talk)]
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Is it worth mentioning that his name Chertoff means "Devil's own" in russian literally? Or will cons jump me -- Tigry 03:58, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
No article on Chertoff can be complete or fair without pointing out that Chertoff has absolutely failed to gain control over the border in a time of terrorism. Moreover, Chertoff supported "comprehensive" immigration reform -- i.e., rewarding millions of illegal aliens with a path to citizenship without controlling the border. That bill was not "stalled," but decisively defeated. Only when that proposed legislation was defeated did Chertoff realize that he might have to begin enforcing the existing immigration law instead of allowing 12 million to 20 million illegal immigrants to wander around the country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.46 ( talk) 23:06, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
There have been some competing edits regarding the date on which Chertoff was sworn in as secretary of homeland security. Although a ceremonial swearing-in, presided over by Bush, took place on March 3, 2005, [3], he was first sworn into office on February 15 [4]. It was on February 15 that he actually became secretary. - Walkiped 02:12, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The section of the article on illegal immigration makes it seem as though Chertoff has been vigorous in opposing illegal immigration. Not so. Chertoff not long ago said that he couldn't spend his department's time chasing after "maids" who might be illegal. In other words, Chertoff didn't even comprehend the basic fact that, with 12 million illegal immigrants wandering around the country, it would be impossible to know, in advance, what job a potential terrorist might be performing.
Seven years after September 11th, 2001, our borders are completely insecure. A border fence is slowly, slowly being built. The quantity of employees on border patrol is almost comically low when compared to the 12 million estimated illegal immigrants.
Seven years after September 11, 2001, the automated database E-Verify is not being used by all employers to ascertain whether prospective employees might be here illegally and have invalid Social Security Numbers.
Seven years later, the REAL ID driver's license is just a distant future prospect in many states. Indeed, five states are still issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.
None of these very important -- and hotly debated -- public issues are in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.145.138 ( talk) 17:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
What's his relation to Ben Chertoff/ Benjamin Chertoff, 9-11 "research editor" for Popular Mechanics? Kwantus 22:37, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)
The only things I ever posted about Chertoff related to the absolute truth that he has failed to control the border (or even seek to) in a time of terrorism. If the only things a person can post about a figure like Chertoff are total, gushing praise, what is the point of anybody posting anything? Also, it looks like defenders of Chertoff are claiming that any honest assessment of his failures is defamatory -- which is simply a ludicrous proposition. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.44.151.35 ( talk) 19:28:40, August 19, 2007 (UTC)
This article seems to be a target for some controversial editing in light of Chertoff's management of the FEMA response to Katrina, and it seems likely given current affairs that this will only increase; this article is probably worth flagging as current affairs and keeping a close eye on. 80.192.5.25 1427, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Most recently Chertoff has directed the FEMA response to Hurricane Katrina which devastated four southern states. On September 3, 2005, several days following the initial strike of the hurricane and subsequent catastrophic floods Chertoff, came under extreme criticism for his agency's perceived gross mismanagement of the rescue and recovery efforts. Charges of ineptitude and indiffference were lodged against President Bush's administration, in part due to FEMAs slow mobilization of rescue/recovery personnel to the affecteded areas, Chertoff was denounced by politicians,(New Orleans Mayor Nagin) news media outlets, (Newsweek) and local citizens (via CNN interviews) when he appeared to be defending the pace and scope of FEMA's response to the nation's largest natural disaster.
"It should be noted, that the lack of regional communication was significant. No cell phone towers or electricy existed, and battery operated rescue radios frequently ran out of power only eight hours into any given rescue operation. Secretary Chertoff was relatively dis-connected with the local agencies. In the media onslaught during the hurricane aftermath, Secretary Chertoff was widely recognized as one of the only federal officials who candidly accepted blame, did not seek to place blame on others, and pushed for the continued relief of New Orleans residents."
(text move Benjamin Gatti)
I italicized city to get the point across-- Jaysscholar 04:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
In the last paragarph I put in a link to a nice site with front pages from all the major papers. Please don't remove it until it becomes clear which paper he was talking about. Right now, the whole "dodging the bullet" thing looks an awful lot like a bald faced lie.
If it turns out to be true, it will then be open for discussion why the feds are using front page headlines for meteorlogical study.
→ It's 'Bold faced lie,' not bald. 70.177.15.225 22:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Unless the author of the article intends to imply that the Russian meaning of his last name in any way has affected his life or his role in the world, it is greatly to the deteriment of NPOV. At the very least more thorough research into why he bears that surname should be done, or preferably it should be removed as it gives us no insight into the man or his life.
If the name "Jefferson" meant "Bringer of Death" it wouldn't be appropriate in an article about Bill Clinton or Thomas Jefferson: William Jefferson Clinton (whose middle name means "Bringer of Death")...
It only implies in the reader's mind that there is a connection between the etymology of the surname and the person's actions.
Let's remove that irrelevant phrase about Chertoff's surname from the article.
It's used to describe McCann in the second paragraph of the Public Service section. Was this guy born in Ireland or Jersey? Born in Ireland and brought to Jersey while still a baby?
Michael Chertoff's "Gut Feeling" remarks seem news-worthy enough to garner intense coverage this week, should that translate to a section in the article?
It's fairly widely known that Chertoff negotiated a deal with lawyers for John Walker Lindh that involved dropping all but one charges against the young man in return for a) a guilty plea to the remaining one -- which did not involve taking arms against the US or fighting anyone; b) withdrawal of his claim that he had been tortured while in US custodyl and c) acceptance that he would not speak about his treatment during the plea=bargained 20-year sentence negotiated. Several sources: Good one was The Nation, February 14, 2005, citing Lindh's defense lawyer, who was involved in the negotiation with DoJ. 121.44.113.94 ( talk) 19:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
It is often claimed that jewish Americans are dual citizens, however this claim is often based merely on the fact that the person is jewish, not proof of actual dual citizenship. The footnote backing up this claim for Chertoff leads to nothing relevant, this claim looks false to me. As for relation to Ben Chertoff, this has been alleged by never proved, and denied by the Chertoffs. Pepik70 ( talk) 20:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia's own page on the Law of Return shows that children of Israeli citizens have the right to gain citizenship, i.e. citizenship is not mandatory or automatically conferred. I am in the same situation - because I had an American mother, I was eligible for US citizenship, however I still had to apply for it and my mother brought me to the US regularly for nearly two decades on a foreign passport before I got US citizenship and a passport (and the US has the same rule - US citizens must enter the US on a US passport).
No proof has been provided that Chertoff has dual citizenship, unless some can be provided this comment should be removed. Pepik70 ( talk) 11:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Removed the uncited statement and incorrect information about dual citizenship that had been re-added to this article last month. ANTPogo ( talk) 16:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I am new to editing pages, and would like some guidance on best practices to improve this page. I am most interested in a good structure and NPOV. Some specific questions:
The opening paragraph seems pretty "newsy" to me. I think Katrina information is definitely a defining bio-detail, but I think the border waivers is more curent events. It is detailed later in the bio, which makes more sense to me.
Section Public Service: nothing is cited in this section. Is it okay to just remove this (per the BLP policy that says to remove unsources or poorly sourced material. I guess I could add the info from his official bio--that would at least be cited.
Section: Secretary of Homeland Security, my questions here are more regarding style. Other bios don't seem to have extensive quoting of news sources. Is it appropriate to update this (shorten significantly) for example,
Chertoff signed waivers of the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Water Act and other environmental laws to install additional physical barriers and roads at the Southwest border. [5] Congress gave the Secretary of Homeland Security authority to waive legal requirements to expeditiously build the border fence. This effort has been criticized on environmental and legal grounds.[cites to NYT and CRS)
Question, is this enough description of the controversy for NPOV?
That's all for starters. I expect there will be more! Kos42 ( talk) 22:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Besides for its NPOV problems, it is unsourced (if not factually incorrect). There are no sources for the criticism from human rights organizations of civil liberty groups. The one source provided for the criticism of the Katrina response made no mention of him. One Times op-ed does not equal "widely criticized" and surely doesn't belong in the lede of a WP:BLP. -- brew crewer (yada, yada) 04:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/Michael Chertoff was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot ( talk) 17:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Doesn't this guy have investments in companies that sell "anti-terrorist" items to the government??? Something rings a bell in the back of my mind that this guy owns a significant investment in - and is profiting from - the very laws he wrote. Maybe it's airport screening machines??? Can somebody please comment on this??? I went to his Wiki bio page to read up on this . . . . and found nothing - which I found very surprising. I would swear that I had read about this in the past, but I could be wrong. If he does, and it its not in his bio, it's a huge hole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.52.201 ( talk) 11:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
are there really no better portrait of him? he litterly looks like nosferatu extremely evil. if any jewish wikipedians here I would like to ask them this:would you have this image a representive of jews?
Can anyone help me find a better picture to improve the article? 109.225.101.247 ( talk) 17:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC) Try to find one when he was three years old.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.142.60 ( talk) 02:32, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The article currently suggests he did research assistant work for Ely as an undergraduate, but that seems somewhat unlikely to me, given (1) Ely was a professor at the Law School and HLS professors hire HLS students (not undergrads) to do research work, and (2) Ely's book Democracy and Distrust was published in 1980, so it chronologically makes more sense that Chertoff would've done the research while in law school, not in college. Anybody have any specific information that he did the research as an undergrad? If not, I'm going to change this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivytoarmy ( talk • contribs) 04:05, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
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Article is very light. Needs more depth and doesn't have much about this controversial figure. Also light on wikification and images. We can do much better. ;-) / Blaxthos 05:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Two problems with this article. First, portions of the article are unsourced. Second, many sources used in the article are primary sources or other sources that do not fit Wikipedia's reliability guidelines. 24.29.56.240 ( talk) 17:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Chertoff is Chairman of the Freedom House Board of Trustees, according to Freedom House. Is this a suitable source to use? Ungulates ( talk) 02:22, 11 January 2021 (UTC)