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[1] Socka tume 18:15, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone else fuckin wonder if this is going to be the final MGS? Or at least maybe the last one in this continuity? With Snake's age accelerating, unless he finds a miracle cure of a fountain of youth (type of thing), how much more could Snake go on possibly do you think? I think its very interesting.-- Kiyosuki 04:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, considering that Kojima has essentialy promised not to kill off Snake in this entry, it doesn't necessarily mean the accelerated aging is going to prove unrreversible or even fatal. (It is Kojima, after all...) New games could also take place between existing entries, or sequals to some of the non-canonical entries could be made, perhaps a whole new timeline? Of course, the series could also continue with the introduction of a new protagonist, perhaps Raiden will return in a similar fasion to ZOE's Leo Stenbuck, matured, self aware, and easier to respect.
Kojima stated that he would like to leave the MGS franchise, and create other original projects. Kojima also said Raiden is confirmed to have a gay lover in this game. In my opinion, it would be better if the forth installment of this great series, wil be its last. It has great value among today's games. The long continuity of it, could only spoil the "individuality" of every installment in the series. (Anonymous User)
Not to mention that a series becomes stale after too many sequels and prequels. If you willingly leave a series (that is, not milk the cash out of it until the series becomes a dead cow) your fans will respect you a heck of a lot more. It may bum some people out that it's all over, but it'll save you from a truckload of humiliation.
Village Baka
07:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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In an interview in OPS2, thought Kojima specificly said he was going to kill off Snake so he can finally stop making MGS games. :( -- AmyRoxYou'reSox 10:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Ack. I'm not surprised that IGN managed to string out an "absolutely everything we know about MGS4" article to four whole pages. It was 95% prior knowledge, of which a good deal was wrong (they completely missed Vamp's survival). Cheers to whoever removed that link. Socka tume 01:05, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I just removed this section from the article:
During E3 2005, there was an announcement video that uses the MGS3 engine which is a promotional trailer for MGS4, but it turned out to be a silent-comedy-added-with-laugh-track-and-background-50's-music with using MGS characters/enemies as the Kojima Productions staff. It turns out that Kojima will direct the game (Which had a huge round of a applause in the movie), but it turns out that Solid Snake was Raiden taking off the mask and giving us a stereotypical "handsome guy" wink (Then the audience in the trailer was disgusted). But then it moves on to the next scene where Raiden and a Sam Fisher look a like trying to take over the "MAIN CHARACTER" chair (Which is a main character for MGS4). After the goofy fight, the Sam Fisher look a like turns out to be Solid Snake in a MGS3 Sneaking Suit smoking his cigarette while he's on the "MAIN CHARACTER" chair. After that, it shows the MGS4 logo and it shows Snake walking away turning the lights off. But the trailer ends by showing Raiden getting up, and the screen goes black, but we can hear he's sitting on the "MAIN CHARACTER" chair with a "Ding" noise. It turns out to be that it's a possibility that MGS4's gonna have multiple characters to use.
The E3 2005 trailer looks like some kinda 50's film quality, there's not even a single dialogue but there is alot of humor in it, more like a 50's Comedy Theatre Play. The trailer basically shows us a humourous view of what's gonna be in MGS4.
Besides being way too descriptive and redundant, it's obviously not written very well (informal speech and so on). I decided to be bold and just get rid of it. If anyone thinks it can be fixed up and put back, go for it, by all means. - DoubleCross 09:02, August 16, 2005 (UTC) gh
Upon first looking at the aged Solid Snake, most gamers erupted with a series of "I hate the mustache" topics on forums all over the internet. Most argued that the supposedly two year difference between Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty and Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is not enough time for Snake to age at that significant of a rate, even with his accelerated aging. The speculation was disolved when the new trailer was released, stating that MGS4 is "X" amount of years after the Big Shell. "X" means and unknown number, though some fans seem to believe it represents the number 10 in Roman Numeral format. This debate is still raging over several forums, most notably the one on the gaming website GameFAQs.
I considered deleting this, for the bad spelling as much as anything else but also because it seems... strange. As I understand it, the mustache (and Snake's older appearance) was only revealed in the trailer, so the idea that the trailer brought an end to discussion of this... Were in-game snaps released before the trailer was? If I find time later, I might get round to editing this section myself but if anyone's got some clarification on this, I'd appreciate it. -- Hayter 14:24, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Sign up - I'll patronise you on something more interesting, if you read simple explanations as patronisation. If not, you'll survive. - Hayter 00:19, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Everyone knows that Kojima likes to trick his fans in his trailers, so the arguments and speculation over the internet is pretty pointless. The "X" years everyone is referring ti is a trick, Kojima uses it to make fans think, "How many years is that?" As it could be 10, or it could be 1, or any other amount of years. My theory is the man we see is actually Big Boss, but taken back his former name of Snake. I'm not sure how he fits in to it, but we assume its Solid Snake looking old because Big oss is supposedly dead, but he likes to twist the story so maybe big boss is still alive. I don't believe its 10 years after, as I'd feel disappointed, I want to know what happened straight after MGS2, Snake jumps on Metal Gear and then what, if its 10 years after, then what has happened for the last 10 years? Myave they would release another prequel for MGS5 then. -
Chippy 16:11, 24 Feburary 2006
Yes. Several screen captures of the teaser trailer were shown in Famitsu magazine's article on MGS4. The article was scanned by some of the magazine's buyers and later spread across internet forums, a day or two prior to the showing of the teaser trailer at the Tokyo Game Show.
Around the same time the Tokyo Game Show 2005 convention took place, Kojima released the most realistic graphical pre-rendered design ever made up to this point on any next-generation console. It was a demonstration of an "eye", the graphical capability that the final product of Metal Gear Solid 4 would have.
Is this true? No reference link has been given. Admittedly I haven't had time to read much game industry news of late, but I haven't heard about this. A quick google doesn't turn up anything either. - Hayter 20:35, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Is the punctuation in this paragraph as it should be? Not having a copy of this magazine to check, my intuition leads me to think that it should read as follows:
Note the removal of two quotation marks. However, as I say, I can't be sure it doesn't read like that. If it does, who is the magazine quoting? Shouldn't that be noted? Anyway, I'll leave this for someone else to pick over. - 210.49.214.102 08:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
I found that this addition was deleted yesterday
"One part of the trailer shows that Solid Snake falls into some sort of bloodsugar crisis. The pen-syringe he sticks in his neck shows that he had developed diabetes. Developers or designers, however, made a sort of mistake here- it is clearly some derivate of Insulin, but a closer look shows that it must be equivalent to either Nova Nordisk's Insulatard or Mixtard, or some other slow-working medication. If a solder with bloodsugar problems is indeed that good that he has to be sent to te battlefield, he should be equipped with rapid-developing NovoRapid or it's equivalent, and rapid-developing insulins are packed into dark-blue pen syringes with red tops, not the white ones."
The reason was "rv edits by 85.94.98.248. It is not clear from the trailer what illness he has, only that he is unwell".
Well, i must disagree with Scoops- no medication is packed in "pens" but insulin and its derivates. In addition, to support the deleted thesis, there is a fact that Snake sticks the medication in his neck muscle. That is pretty unusual way of treating high bloodsugar that is suggested when a man feels sight and other bloodsugar problems that has something to do with brain (blurry vision, fall of concentration, need to sleep) and needs to correct them before the other complications (dry mouth, tingling in libs). The syringe is identical to NovoLet pens (illy products have different rears), and the color of the rear seems to look green. So we not only know why he feels bad, but we know the exact medication type he uses.
I would, however, disagree with the thesis that he uses the "wrong" medication. Soldiers with hyperglycaemia are usually given two or more medications. One that is slow-working and used oce or twice a day, in order to stop hypoglicaemia from happening, and one that is rapid-working, if they feel particulary bad at the moment. Even if snake feels particulary bad at the moment, he may be using rapid working insulin (i think it was named ActRapid) packed in NovoLet pens with yellow rears. That would, however, put the game setting in 90s, when the drug was used, and later replaced with NovoRapid.
The third solution is less probable- ActRapid (or how it is called) is still used by the people that are alcoholic, because the combination of novorapid and alcohol can very often lead to severe hypoglicaemia (low blood sugar) that ends with hypoglicaemic coma.
One thing is sure - In trailer Snake uses something packed in NovoLet pen. Nothing but biosynthetic insulin is packed in NovoLet pens, and nothing but diabetes is cured with insulin.
I didn't realise that the first symptom of hypoglycaemia was an unexpected coughing fit.
I thought that his symptoms were the result of his genetic structure breaking down. He IS a clone, after all... --
SigmaX54
14:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I have been doing research on MGS (for a high school report) and I found two things that reinforce the clone syndrome theory. First, Liquid mentions the assymetry theory. I do not understand the thoery yet, but I believe this has something to do with it. Also, it is refered to that when theclones were manufactured, they were built with a genetic flaw that, later in life, would kill them. It was said that the snakes did not know when or what disease would kill them. The advanced aging could be from this as well. I appologize for not citing, but I never recorded these sites as they were not acceptable for my teacher's report (he hates websites, including wikipedia)
HiddenMask
16:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
On the subject of the possible FoxDie effects: I feel that something should be added to this article regarding the possibility that Snake is now suffereing from FoxDie. I've been trying to edit in a quick line saying "Snake's illness could possibly be the symptoms of the FoxDie virus, which was set to a wildcard value by Naomi Hunter". Someone doesn't seem to like this, though, as it hasn't stayed there for more than a few hours at a time. Village Baka 18:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I know that. That's why I said "possibly", just to put it out there. I didn't say that it "probably was" or "definately was". I'd be all over anyone who wants to conclusively say that is is FoxDie, but there is nothing wrong with a small mention of it as a possibility. JUST a possibility. And you don't need the thumbs-up from GamePro to put something on Wikipedia. (O_o);; Village Baka 03:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I added in the comment about Kojima stating that he's unsure as to how many years MGS4 takes place after MGS2. It's stated in an interview with him in the January 2005 issue of PSM, page 25. I can quote it if anyone wants to see.
-- 24.76.109.236 01:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I am researching info on the Meme Gene Scene themes of the MGS Series. I wonder if anyone could give me some ideas on where to find some information on these concepts as they relate to the games. The research is going to a report I am doing for school, but if it is sufficient I may add it as some extra details for the Metal Gear Solid articles. Thank you for any help you are willing to offer.
HiddenMask
15:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, The answer is quite simple: You see - MEME stands for "any unit of cultural information, which one mind transmits to another mind". It is quite clean that the MEME concept match to the MGS2 concept - the information (history, principles etc.) beyond the genes. GENE stands for the MGS1 concept - the whole hierarchy of being "written" by the patterns of our genes. It also tells us about the fight and struggle for ruling-out the effects of the genes. In my opinion, the MGS1 concept is the strongest among the others. SCENE is "where, when and why", come to think of it. You see, the SCENE concept (which refers to the third game concept) is dealing with history and an individual's ability to shape it for the next generations. Well, these are the basics. Hope you like...
The article says "Colonel Campbell has also been confirmed to return for MGS4."
Where is this confirmed? What is the source on this?
It was confirmed by Kojima on his radio show Hideochan apparently
The E3 trailer also confirms this fact as well as of 5-08-06
Thought I'd post it here. http://www.elektr1k.com/metalgearsolid4e3.divx Takuthehedgehog 20:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Kojima has confirmed that Snake is 43 years old during MGS4, meaning MGS4 takes place in the year 2015, six years after the Big Shell incident.
Why does the article then have have to speculate whether the baby Raiden is holding in the art is his or Olga's?
I mean, the baby looks way too young to be neither his nor Olga's. Had it been his, the baby should be like, what, 5 years old? And had it been Olga's it should be, what, 7?
-- Because at the time the promotional poster was released they still weren't sure how much time was going to have passed between MGS2 and MGS4 to fit everything in continuity.
Lilinka
21:41, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
can you post a link or a picture of raiden holding the baby please?
So... Is Hideo Kojima the only director; or the co-director? First, the article states that he announced co-directing -- then, it gets confusing, when it says that he "himself will be directing." Yet; the information-bar on the right still lists him as co-director. Oh, and speaking of co-directing; I've noticed that the new trailers for this game are very cinematic; and have this new depressed feeling to it -- I love it. Maybe the new director and Kojima makes a great team; originally, I only wanted Kojima to direct it. Now, I'm starting to like the new guy. 67.164.209.137 21:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Speculative Concepts seems to be nothing more than a section devoted solely for wild, irrelevant speculation, and mentions information already seen in other parts of the article. Also, it's rather poorly written. I quote:
It is possible that Solid Snake has aged faster than the other cast members due to the FOXDIE virus he contracted in MGS.
The small Metal Gears (Gekkōs) shown in the trailer are shown being cut by Raiden's sword. When they are cut, blood comes shooting out and flesh can be seen inside. It is possible that these creatures were created with the help of nanomachines, re-organizing a organic being into a more robotic looking form.
In an early poster for MGS4 (seen at the bottom of this article) Raiden is shown holding a baby. It is possible that the baby is the son, or daughter, of Solid Snake. The child could have been cloned in a similar way to how Solid Snake was cloned from Big Boss. As a plot device for a sequel it is possible that Raiden will train the young Snake Clone, this would be one way to continue the series after the death of Solid Snake. The baby shown in the poster may also be the orphaned child of Olga. This would seem to be a more reasonable conclusion at first, however, if she was born at the time of MGS2 she would have to be older than the baby in the poster.
Besides, Snake can't reproduce as a clone, so its not possible that his offspring is in the hands of Raiden in the art. Patchiemoo 03:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Even if it's all possible (ie: baby being a clone of Snake's) there's no proof, thus, it does not belong in here. Bravo to DethFromAbove for removing that. 75.4.198.45 09:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
How about some spoiler tags? 22:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Do we need the "Timeline setting" section? As it is established earlier on that it will take place 6 years after the Big Shell incident, Unless people Object I vote for the removal of this section. Help plz 20:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree, the "Timeline setting" section isn't needed but if you remove it, you should still keep the link to the interview where Kojima states Snake's age.
While I think this article is very informative, it's also a disroganized mess, talking about every piece of detail about the game in the "Known details", with no sense of organization. I'm organizing based all the information based on general details revealed in interviews and such,, details revealed during both trailers and specific details about the game's plot and characters. I'll appreciate if anyone can help me out here. Jonny2x4 02:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
At the end of the extended trialer from 06 it says konamia productions 1987 2036, could the 2036 mean anything to the game? Just thought i would point that out. To find this it is at time 12:16 of the trailer... ~ REexpert44~ REexpert 18:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Under the "returning characters" section, Johnny Sasaki is listed as one of the characters visually confirmed in the E3 2006 trailer.
I didn't notice him. Could somebody please tell me where he was and when he could be seen in the trailer?
Reckon we can take down the Clean-Up tag yet, or does it require more work? Hyperspacey 09:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I hear a lot of talk about a promotional picture showing Raiden holding onto a baby. I've looked everywhere for this, but can't find it. What search term should I google for? Can anyone link me to this?
There appears to be a big time gap between Guns of the Patriots and Sons of Liberty; that's a lot of potential time wasted for possibilities of more sequels; unless they decide to make future games be prequels to Guns of the Patriots. Is there a general consensus among fans of the approximate time gap between the two games? It has to be pretty long, as Otacon and the colonel look a lot older than they did. Maybe at least 20 years?
Regarding Raiden; how was he able to train in VR missions simulating Snake's missions? Doesn't Raiden's chapter take place immediately after Snake's Tank Chapter mission? How was there enough time for there to be a VR mission programmed after Snake's mission, just in time for Raiden to train with it? Another thing I've read about Raiden is that he has artificial blood even back in Sons of Liberty; what does this blood do? Why doesn't Snake train in VR missions as much as Raiden, and genetically/physically modify himself to the level of early-Raiden, so that they are comparable in terms of physique? It doesn't seem to me like Snake is afraid of modifying himself too much; he is often injected with nanobots.
Another thing that confuses me is why Gray Fox or Raiden (the early AND future Raiden) are so much better soldiers than Solid Snake -- I mean, he's supposed to be a clone of the greatest soldier of the 20th century (possibly greater than Big Boss), and Raiden could probably defeat him easilly based on skill. The early Raiden seems to still be a much superior soldier than Snake, even when he's so much younger, and without an exoskeleten suit! Snake has trouble taking down multiple enemies, and relies on stealth. Raiden doesn't need to, as he often makes multiple enemies down at a time; and with his exoskeleten, he can defeat multiple mini metal-gears; in the trailer, all Snake could do is run and try and lure them away! So doesn't that make Raiden or Gray Fox (with the suit) the better soldiers? How exactly is Snake the greatest soldier of the century? Maybe he needs to train as much as Raiden did in VR missions... 24.23.51.27 20:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Various answers:
MGS4 is taken to occur in the year 2015, some 6 years after MGS2.
The two-year gap between the Tanker and Plant chapters of MGS2 is, IMO, long enough to allow for Raiden's training.
Raiden's artificial blood is nano-auged and stuff; it doesn't really change him that much though, and was probably slowly replaced by his own blood as it wore out and his bone marrow did its thing. Arguably, Snake and Raiden are physically similar. It's hinted at in various MGS2-releated things that Otacon created a VR simulator for Snake to use and that he's used it.
Snake has never claimed to be the greatest soldier ever (in fact he was, according to the MGS ending, created to be a crippled copy of the perfectly-engineered Liquid). Raiden is, arguably, an inferior soldier- he's gullible, maniplatable, and the only reason he's so good is because he's been in a lot of physical training and because he's learned a lot from copying Snake. Grey Fox, too, whilst an amasing fighter, lacked certain non-physical abilities that Snake has- namely, whatever the player brings to the table when he picks up the pad. Hyperspacey 00:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Could we please minimise the number of edits of the following nature:
- Adding on sections saying "Kojima says Snake won't die, but he also said he might, so we don't know". We know we don't know! If we knew we'd have added a bit in saying if Snake lived or died (albeit in spoiler brackets).
- Waffling on about stuff that might happen, extrapolated from guesswork based on the trailer, and posting it as fact. Discuss it hear, maybe, and we can reach a concensus about whether its geniune or not, hmmm?
- Amazing insights like, "Snake will face a number of giant robots", "Snake will fight mercenaries armed with modern weaponary" and "Snake may fight people he was once allied with". C'mon, guys, this info belongs in the series page, it's like sticking a section in the Mario Galaxy page about jumping on enemy's heads and mushrooms making you grow.
Additions are nice, but the reason this page is very concise is because i) it's an encyclopedia article, not the MGS4 Speculation Thread on Gamesradar and ii) the game's only been unveiled in two trailers and a tiny amount of hinting from the developer. Facts only on the main page, let's discuss stuff on discussion, hmmm? I don't want to see this get another CleanUp tag after I spent three hours condensing it.
Hyperspacey 15:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Seems a pretty dumb title line, something like Returning Elements would be better. ( The Bread 04:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC))
Philistines! *Sobs* Okay, your version is more sensible. It was probably quite early in the morning when I thought that one up and I was feeling artistic. Hyperspacey 13:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
No offence intended ( The Bread 05:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC))
None taken. ( Hyperspacey 10:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC))
How are they able to show awesome next-gen graphics from games like this on a PC; when the next generation games are supposed to be much more graphically intensive than even the most powerful PC (currently) could handle? I never understood how or why they were able to show next gen dev graphics on modern PC's; they are next gen afterall. Do they hook up a PS3 to the PC to help power it or something?
Is it possible that Big Boss wasn't dead after all and may make a return? Afterall he was on some promotional stuff and he didn't die in a particularly definite way, it was only a lit aerosol. Also, shortly before escaping Arsenal Gear in a RAY, Liquid Snake (While controlling ocelot) does say "there's only room for one Big Boss and one Snake", could he be referring to something we don't quite know? Or is he just being dramatic?
Also, after reading the Japanese Wikipedia for MGS4, they list Big Boss as an announced character (Also, they list Rose)
He was just being dramatic (Refering to himself as Big Boss) but you're not supposed discuss the game on the talk page, just the article
( The Bread 06:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
in the 6 min tgs trailer at the end there is a young snake , i think it is a clone of solid snake....
yeah he looked sick cant wait to find out who exactly he is one critisisem all though he looks like snake he has no bandana lol its like tradition User:Kami-Sama
wounder if he's on solid snakes side all against him alswo he weres the same kind of outfit as snake . User:Kami-Sama
I dont think that it is a new person. I think it has something to do with his camo suit. If you notice at the beginning of the trailer when snake gets up from playing dead and his camo suit changes back, the dirt or age spots on his face disappear.-- Hasty5o 21:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I think your being a bit HASTY there lol. sorry bad joke any way I dont think its got any thing to do with the camo. it might actuarly be a new character. theres no way it's the camo. User:Kami-Sama
the new character looks like he's in his mid 20's so that would mean he would of been alive during mgs2 sons of libarty. User:Kami-Sama
This is all just theory, while i will say that this could be a new character i dont think that it is. another reason for my thinking is that this younger snake smokes like the older snake, what other clone does that. and how can you say that there is no way that that is his camo, when clearly when snake turns off his suit the dirt on his face disappers--
66.157.232.81
04:37, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
I have to say this, you are not supposed to talk about anything but the article on the talk page, but what I want to know is which trailer you're talking about and what you're talking about
†he Bread 05:26, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
watch the new metal gear solid 4 trailer on ign.com and at the end theres a character that looks like snake but younger. but every ones saying it's his camo but i think it's a new character. User:Kami-Sama
Hmmm....prehaps we can get a screen for the article?
†he Bread 03:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3895/andnowforsomethingcompletlydifferentgg8.png
IGN has better quality shots, but seeing as they demanded YouTube to pull off their cam-recorded version of the trailer, I doubt Wikipedia would be able to use it.
75.4.203.92 18:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC
Ok, the only reason anyone is saying that the appearance of snake with a younger face is a new character is because people want it to be a new character. Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 both featured a slew of new characters, but Metal Gear Solid 4 has yet to show us any new characters, thus people want to believe that Snake-with-a-younger-face is a new character. The main page states that the younger snake IS a new character, and thats only speculation, that needs to be taken off. It also says when snake is wearing a mask over his face that it is also a new character. How the heck can you say its a different character if you can't see their face? I don't think the MGS4 page should say anything about any "new character" because their is no proof that the new trailer actaully features anyone besides snake.
Oh well, i can still look at it, and i'll take down the speculation
†he Bread 01:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
While that definately looks like Snake, he doesn't have his trademark mullet. That's probably why they think its another clone or new character. Plus, how is Snake suddenly young? -- Mr.Kickyourbutt 18:04, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
What most people forget is that Snake only has his trademark mullet when he wears the bandanna (as it holds his hair in place) without the bandanna, it appears the same way as it did in the trailer. User: Big Boss Inc.
Thank you finaly someone see's it from my point of view. User:Kam-Sama
Snake Soup has a theory about Young Snake being in the 2005 promotional poster here: http://www.thesnakesoup.org/?section=mgs4&content=main however even he says that its pretty much all speculation and nothing more. - 75.4.203.92 08:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll have a look
†he Bread 23:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
or the young snake could be a place holder for someone else.. remember kojima manipulated mgs2 trailers so it would appear that solid snake was the main character! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.105.29.94 ( talk • contribs) .
like the website I mentioned said, it could also be the ability to play as a young Snake in online mode, or something. 75.4.203.92 09:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to point out that during the trailer, one of the slides with text (the ones that say "No place to hide!", etc.) says, "No place in time". I think that might be a hint as to why young Snake makes an appearance, although I think that's all that can be inferred from it. StealthHit06 16:12, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
God knows. We'll find out next year. Hyperspacey 16:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
It couldn't be Olga's baby, could it? I mean, we don't know how long it is since MGS2 yet, do we? Although I guess Meryl and the others would look older too... I don't know, I'm just speculating. Joe 042293 10:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Someone has vandalized the plot section as far as I can see. Could someone please fix this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.96.10.251 ( talk • contribs) .
Does anyone know if a release date is planned for this game yet in the U.S.? this game is going to single-handedly (is that even a word?) make me buy a PS3, i heard rumors that in the trailer from E3 '06 that you could see a 777 flipped upside down, implying that MGS4 was slated for a 07.07.07 release (July 7th, 2007) i probably would buy my PS3 when this game came out (if the 777 rumor IS true, i would assume the PS3's price would drop)