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Is it safe to assume this man was in the end no more than a patsy, "a middle man" to do bidding for those who wielded the true power, whether that was KGB in the east or possibly CIA in the west, or maybe some unholy mix of both? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.246.138 ( talk) 16:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
The following sentence does not make sense: "Ağca had been sentenced to life in prison for the murder, which amounts to 36 years under Turkish law. He had served less than six months in Turkish prison before he escaped." Did he escape or was he released?
He escaped with possible help from Turkish Gladio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.249.222 ( talk) 01:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't there talk of some relationship with Turkish Grey Wolves?-- Error
what is a "panic bomb"? I think that part should be rewritten.
documents turned up today show an involvement of KGB and GDR into the assasination (German news website)
'Ağca fired two shots at the Pope', I thought the Pope was hit by 4 bullets. I can't check this in a short time. Thijs 01-04-05 Agca claimed in an interview with the Italian daily La Repubblica (March 31) that "Without the help of priests and cardinals, I would have not been able to carry out that action" http://www.repubblica.it/2005/c/sezioni/esteri/papa4/nuovagca/nuovagca.html -- 83.148.73.5 08:35, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The ending of this piece sounds too sentimental, and in poor English. I suggest cleaning up things a bit.
Yeah - I went ahead and deleted it, as it didn't seem to have anything to do with the rest of the article.-- Lews 22:48, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm usually a great fan of Wikipedia, but, with all due respect, some of the problems with this article lie in its extremely light as well as selective sourcing, its repetition of "facts" that are not facts, having been thoroughly debunked elsewhere (see, for example, the analysis by Noam Chomsky in "Manufacturing Consent,") and it's slapdash coverage of the Agca biography. Surely you folks can do better than this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.68.223.248 ( talk) 20:29, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Seems to me that a complete Rewrite will be in order once these documents are released
SOFIA (bnn)- Bulgaria on Thursday said it was ready to publish the whole 1982-1985 correspondence between its Communist Committee on State Security and East German spy agency of STASI related to the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II TDC 17:17, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
Mehmet Ali Ağca is requesting upto 1 Million Euros for reportages.
Wikilinks to other langages should not be deleted. If it is possible to make such links, it is because it is an official Wikipolicy to do so. It is lot better to have a foreign Wiki entry than a "red" entry, which, when - and if - created, may forget to see the original langage Wiki entry. It is also a form of encouragement to translate these already existent Wiki entries in English. External links in foreign languages are also acceptable: a lot of us are multi-lingual, and loads of people here are not natives English-speaking persons. Beside, loads of sources haven't been translated in English. Should we disallow an ANSA cable concerning mafia or the Pope's assassination just because it is... in Italian? English is an international language, for the better & the worse... Tazmaniacs 16:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Discussion of conspiracy claims should be in the relevant section, not scattered throughout the article. The problem at the moment is that much of the rest of the article (such as the attempt on the Pope) is threadbare without it.-- Jack Upland 23:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
The recent Itallian Comission clearly stated that Agca was a Hitman used by Soviet Agencies to quell the Polish Pope who was spurring a religous awakening in Eastern Europe, obviously a big fear of the Soviets.
There is a very strong Soviet link, the link to the other organisation has many holes and question marks and the more its examined the more unlikely it appears.
Its better we clear this post up a bit. Johnstevens5
Even if you are personally committed to the Soviet theory you shouldn't censor any other opinions. The fact is Agca also shot an leftwing journalist - how does that fit with your 'no loose ends' approach??-- Jack Upland 00:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, killing among left wing/communist activists is more than common, look at all the purges and the fate of the socialists from Western Europe who found "refuge" in the Soviet Union. Also, the role of Mr. Putin (he was responsible for the cover up, as boss of the KGB in East Germany), and Mr. Gorbatchew (he, as member of the politbureau, approved the assassination) should be mentioned.
The article claims in the interview he was said to be writing a book to be released later in 2005. Any news on what happened to this book? Or was the whole interview denied? Nil Einne 17:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Is the training in Syria substantiated? Or is it on the same level as his claimed connection to PFLP??-- Jack Upland 22:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
There should be some indication of the motive for this alleged conspiracy. While Agca's involvement in rightwing circles does undermine the Bulgarian theory, it doesn't support an obvious alternative.-- Jack Upland 23:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
According to old president of Turkey Kenan Evren who makes the military coup, Turkey rejects to build a Gladio in Turkey. That is a communist theory but it doesnt proved. Ruzgar 21:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
US claims don't prove it. Turkish goverments always reject to build gladio. Ruzgar 23:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Bülent Ecevit(he is a socialist and describe mhp as a faschist organisation) played an activ role in 1970's communist-nationalist crise. He always said grey wolves is a organisation supported from USA. But he never proved it. If Grey Wolves supported from USA why generals who make military coup(that is a coup supported from USA[our boys did it]) hang the greywolves supporters. Ruzgar 03:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
You are entitled to your theories, but don't censor other peoples!-- Jack Upland 00:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
What religion is/was Agca at the time of the shooting? I'm amazed that's not mentioned in the entire text of the article.
I wish I could say this with authority (documentation; sources), but, despite my failure, I still think I remember hearing that Agca at one time said that he believed he himself was Jesus Christ, which might make him an autotheist, although it still does not clarify whether he was doing so from a Christian, Muslim, or other perspective, as many religious traditions hold Christ in high regard. Shanoman 21:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Please update this section. Agca asked to be released from jail to meet with Benedict XVI in Turkey. When Benedic XVI was in Turkey, Agca changed his mid and does not wanted to meet the pope any more. Further more, he described Benedic XVI as “poor guy”. His laywer reported he said that Benedict XVI his a nazi that “encourages the people to be opposed the ones to the others". (free translation) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.37.62.58 ( talk) 02:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
There's a distinct possibility that Agca is insane. He continues to make bizarre statements. Do we need to keep documenting them here??? Additionally, isn't this a simple explanation for the assassination attempt against the Pope? Much of the article attempts to construct a rational analysis of his rantings. Is this really necessary?-- Jack Upland 05:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Before engaging in such edits, you might try to ask what others users think about it. I will take now the trouble to see your complaints & take them into account, as is the normal way to proceed here. Tazmaniacs 23:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Most evidence to date points to the Soviets involvement in the assassination attempt. Andropov ordered the hit because he was convinced of an Anglo-German conspiracy that elected JP2 in order to break Soviet hegemony on the largely catholic East Block. Although some still cling to the theory that the CIA did it as a “false flag” attack, the vast majority of reliable sources disagree with this. WP:WEIGHT would suggest that while there are still a few notable individuals who agree with the false flag version, they are so far in the minority of opinion that the false flag version gives their POV way too much ink. I would also add that most of this crew, Herman, Parenti, Goodman, have all been pretty quiet on this subject since the revelations of the past 5 years. I would also add that Agca’s contradictory statements on Bulgaria’s involvement are no longer relevant, considering the revelations from East Block intelligence archives.
The section consists of nothing more than allegations Agca made while in custody, comments he later recanted. I don’t see the need for an entire section on this. I have trimmed it down to one sentence in the main body of the article.
The removal of much of the information in this section should be self explanatory. First, all the information exists “verbatim” in the parent article. Secondly, much of the information is well poisoning (things like Scaramella arrest, possibly politically motivated as well). Information about what the commissions has said about Prodi, Imam Rapito, Jean-Louis Bruguière charges related to the Ruwandan Genocide, have absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the article, and constitute a forking of the article. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 18:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
It says:
Ali Agca had made several trips to Sofia, Bulgaria, and stayed in a hotel favored by the Bulgarian (DS)
Pls. explain. Thanks. --
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I've moved a lot of text into 1981 Pope John Paul II assassination attempt. What the current article needs is a good summary. Intangible2.0 21:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Could the whole of this article be moved into and merged with the 1981 Pope John Paul II assassination attempt? I think it may help make improvement to this page, and remove danger of libel. Felixthehamster ( talk) 15:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
There are several Turkish articles from 2006 here, which you might want to cite:
I have found that he was mentioned in "The Third Revelation" By Ralph McInerny. I want ahead and added this to the article. CaraElaine512 ( talk) 11:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
He never converted to Catholicism, so why does Wikipedia continue to list him in "Converts from Islam to Christianity - Catholicism"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.167.158 ( talk) 08:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC) Why do you THINK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:752C:97BA:766A:31A2 ( talk) 06:13, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
this is a kid indoctrinated by Grey Wolves into hate crimes; just like any ultra-nationalist organization. the crap about sleeper agents and the soviets sending rays to his brain are crap for the movies. all this is sources supported; his lies after being arrested won't cut it. -- Leladax ( talk) 02:41, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
But fascists and fanatics are selective with their targets. Their hatred may be "crazy" but it is not unfocussed.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 03:22, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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Lemme put it like this if someone named Mehmet commits a terrorist act what do you THINK his motivation was? Especially trying to kill the pope, the face of the kafir religion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8389:4120:752C:97BA:766A:31A2 ( talk) 06:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
The article says he claims he is Jewish, so why is he listened under "Turkish former Muslims", "Converts to Christianity from Islam", and "Converts to Roman Catholicism from Islam"? What religion is he? 70.187.179.139 ( talk) 06:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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This statement by 76.247.46.79 does not include a source. Does anybody know if an already made reference contains this information? Ελλίντερεστ ( talk) 10:49, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
It seems that the Iran connection is given too much weight considering how often he has changed his story. I don't know for sure if he was Sunni or Shia but it seems more likely that he is Sunni (like the Grey Wolves) while Iran theocracy is Shia. This makes the Iran claim sound rather dubious. Óli Gneisti ( talk) 09:18, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Emanuela Orlandi may have been one of this guy’s victims, as per his organization. When the case is reviewed will the Pope recall his pardon? And why or how was the terrorist cell in V city? 35.140.129.253 ( talk) 20:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
the article mentions four bullets. The German version three and references the news outlet "Der Spiegel". Perhaps someone could clarify that. Tanks! 2001:A62:1AE2:C601:9901:9773:B6E6:C036 ( talk) 18:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)