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Can someone that knows about this add details of Mauritania's transport system, ie road, rail, etc. As far as i know the country has one of the longest trains in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wakeyjamie ( talk • contribs) 14:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
How is it 99% muslim and 16% christian? jackmont Now it's 100% Muslim...somehow I find that hard to beleive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baskilisk ( talk • contribs) 20:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
White and black Maurs consider themselves Arab, whereas black Arabs see themselves as African.....Um this doesn't make sense White and black Moors see themselves as ARABS but black ARABS do not see themselves as Arabs? im confused —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.49.44 ( talk) 05:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Why have the regions being listed on this page now? Every other country has an individual page for each of it's regions - why should Mauritania be any different. Granted, they may not be full of detail, but that's beside the point. They may not look much, but maps will be added soon enough for each region in the same vein as Lesotho or Djibouti. Besides, the move is pointless without the deletion of the individual region pages. I'm tempted to remove the regions on this main page, but I'll wait for a reply first.
- sdrawkcab
"The Bafours were primarily agriculturalist, among the first Saharan people to abandon their historically nomadic lifestyle."
So were they agricultural or nomadic? Can someone clear that up thanks.
This is the communiqué issued by the coup leaders on 3 August. I wasn't sure where it belonged in the article so I'll link it here. -- Cam 16:16, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
I changed the wording of the promised elections to reflect the fact that they were organized and certified. 216.152.208.1 22:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I am questioning the use of arrest by the military coup. No legal authority authorized the "arrest" so I would use the proper "detained" as the CNN article states here. http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/08/06/mauritania.coup.ap/index.html. Also, I question using bloodless because no one really knows what is happening fully.-- Truthfulchat ( talk) 15:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The poll results for the 2003 election for Maaouya Ould Sid'Ahmed Taya show 66.69% compared to the 67.02% on Mauritania. Laundrypowder 20:50, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know what the official languges are? Before it sayed that Arabic, French, Hassaniya, Pular, Soninke, and Wolof were all official languges. – Zntrip 04:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks :) that helps alot. – Zntrip 20:09, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
French language plays a big part in Mauritania. Altough it has been removed as an official language it is still important in the commercial sector, and the upperclass who tend to speak more French then Arabic.
"The use of English and the Weldiya dialect is increasing" Problem: "Weldiya" is spoken in Ethiopia. Better take this out. Murad Hamdan ( talk) 10:59, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
I note Wikipedia renders the ancient Roman province as Mauretania and the modern state as Mauritania. While this is convenient (and has much to recommend it in some ways for clarity), unfortunately modern English usage also uses Mauretania for the modern country's transliteration into roman characters, especially a UK usage (see, e.g. http://www.immigrationexpert.com/uk/embassyPage.asp?letter=m ). While the US influenced usage Mauritania seems to dominate, it would be incorrect to imply that the second spelling is not used in standard usage for the modern country. A disamgiuation page for both spellings is needed. ( Collounsbury 18:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC))
Is there a reason that the economic section is being treated as a seperate article? I think it would make more sense to include the economic article as part of the Mauritania article.
I can understand that being the case if the article on the economy is rather long, but wouldn't it be more sensible to include shorter articles within the main country article? Even if the economy is to be kept as a separate entry, wouldn’t it at least be better to include a short overview of the economy in the Mauritania article as is the case with some other countries? scotsboyuk 14:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Merged. Standalone article was far too short to merit separation. I've read every nation article on wikipedia, and was annoyed by the lack of economic info in this article. If there's much more to say about the economy of Mauritania, feel free to expand a standalone article, but a mere link under "Economy" in the main article is unacceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.39.182.234 ( talk • contribs)
Where is this information coming from that the Blacks were Slaves of White North Africans? In addition this article is written with a slanted POV. There is a difference from Mauritania and Mauretania as well. When was there a name change and why? In adition Mauretania refers to Maure or Moorish Africans of Ethiopic origins.-- Gnosis 06:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be better to describe the implied racial meaning of the terms. It would be better to say lighter skinned because the term white and black have varied meanings. To be honest the best thing to do is not bring up the race meme and just focus on the groups of people. Since the caste system is really based on light to dark skin color. We should keep the rece terms from this article to prevent debate. Berbers were not all light skinned or "white" and "black" these terms hold no value in terms of true meaning. As race is an ideology or concept created which has been proven to not exist. I have removed the tag however. In addition, the US government is a poor source to provide proof. As the terms of race are continuously being defined and actuality didn't exist before the creation of the American government.-- Gnosis 19:31, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Just to add to Gnosis point, defining by race can bring nothing productive. The american government has changed its meaning of who is what race. Up until the 1960's the us government considered egyptians black, but that is not really in practivce anymore. As well race definitions seems to change from country to country, eg any black ancestry means your black in america, simply looking black or having dark skin means your black in latin american countries, and europeans seem to say anyone who is not white is black but they don't seem to have a very definitve system as we do. Point is race is subjective and unhelpful unless you are talking about absouluts. Eg. hitler was white and shaka zulu was black, which is still not helpful, what kind of culture were the two would be the questiion most would ask
"We should keep the rece terms from this article to prevent debate" - I feel that statement rather interesting. This article needs more debate, not less.
Supposedly contains at least one CIA prison for detainees of the "War on Terror". http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003453.php 24.12.177.254 17:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)Nate
I saw the following sentence in the section about the 2007 presidential election:
"Slavery is still said to exist in Mauritania , some 100 years after slavery officially ended in the West and since it was officially abolished in the country in 1981."
What does this have to do with the 2007 presidential election? tildetildetildetilde
+-=+-=+-=+-= Mauritania eats grapes, red and green, fish, and fish balls. The women think that it is healthy to feed their daughters, until they are large.
== It Should be Noted that modern day slavery still exists here and a section should be added== i', no good at writing a whole section but here's a link to help get someone started [ [6]] -- Parker ( talk) 19:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Life expectancy
male: 51.61 years
female: 56.28 years (2008 est.)
Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mr.html#People
Is it true that they are slaves, aproaximitly 300.000 to 500.000 in Mauritania?? source http://www.france24.com/en/20090218-former-slave-ten-year-walk-freedom-not-over-mauritania-slavery —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.40.64 ( talk) 15:38, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
wiki ADMINS please take the time to read this. I am more than happy to elaborate here. Please stop removing my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rimman ( talk • contribs) 00:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
All talk about slavery in Mauritania is just that, talk. The Mauritanian former president and the current chief MP are blacks. The latter is actually a slave descendant. There are few black individuals, most outside the country, who are trying to capitalize on the sufferings of the poor black community within Mauritania. Note that poverty in Mauritania does not have a race or color. It goes across all segments of the population. Slavery, human trafficking are criminal acts under Mauritanian constitution and applicable laws.
Black people can have slaves (they even did in the U.S.) Mukogodo ( talk) 20:15, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Recently, an editor added a locator map to this article (with orange highlights and a horrid Mercator projection) which is of a style that is not only inconsistent with the locator maps in most country articles but has done so without any discussion or consensus. This map is disagreeable and not an improvement over the prior one; consequently, I have restored the prior long-standing map. I believe a renewed consensus needs to be demonstrated before the map is changed again. Thoughts? Bosonic dressing ( talk) 02:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I notice that the article states that "It is named after the Roman province whose borders were roughly equivalent to those of the modern country." The 2 or 3 Roman provinces whose names included Mauretania were on the north coasts of modern Morocco and Algeria. Their borders were at least 700 kilometres from the northern tip of modern Mauritania. Vgy7ujm ( talk) 00:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I noticed the History section says the Almoravids from the north conquered the Ghana Empire, but the page about the Almoravids just says there is speculation that the Almoravids destabilized, and caused the fall Ghana. I wouldn't know where to look for an authority on this, but should the statement be taken out/revised? 99.109.56.150 ( talk) 04:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Was tooling around CNN, and found an article on de facto slavery within the country. Thought someone here might be interested in using it. :) - Jack Sebastian ( talk) 02:29, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
The CNN documentary deliberately omitted that the former president, current chief MP and half of the current government are all slave descendants. Additionally, Mauritania has a vibrant black middle class. Also, it omitted that recently the Mauritanian government created a special agency to fight the sequels of slavery, which are essentially economic and social injustice. Mauritania has lots of problems. But, slavery is not one of them.
Why did CNN omit all these important facts? Ask them CNN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rimman ( talk • contribs) 19:01, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted this rewrite by Rimman ( talk · contribs) because of several glaring problems:
Currently the article contains an early section called Geography and Climate and a later section called Geography. The Geography and climate section reads as follows:
First, this is almost entirely about West Africa, not specifically about Mauritania. Second, it is copied and pasted word-for-word from the article West Africa. Third, the Sahel is not in the northern section of West Africa as claimed here in paragraph 2, especially since paragraph 1 defines West Africa as going all the way up to Tunisia. And fourth, there's already a good section called Geography. So I'm deleting the Geography and climate section. Duoduoduo ( talk) 14:24, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Of course, it's possible to find sources that say Mauritania is in Western North Africa. I see 183 results on Google Book Search. However, that doesn't mean it's the best label; "West Africa" is almost a thousand times more common. bobrayner ( talk) 00:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
yes there was a time when Mauritania pivoted towards west Africa in the 60s, but it is now firmly on the path of arabization, like Sudan, pivoting it towards North Africa once again. Most sources indicate how it straddles the Maghreb and West Africa so it really could be either as its history over thousands of years as a crossroads of West Africa and North Africa shows. But today Mauritania is: (1)a declared Islamic republic; (2) with Arabic as an official language; (3) on an official Arabization scheme; (4) part of the Arab Maghreb Union; (5) no longer a member of ECOWAS....Ever since the coup 16 years ago it seems firmly in western North Africa today. Of course it could always change---these are not static categories, remember the Sahara itself only underwent rapid desertification in 3500 B.C., also remember Sudan could just as easily lose its membership in North Africa if it underwent de-Arabization... See, for example: http://www.nai.uu.se/publications/news/archives/002diallo/ "Mauritania – neither Arab nor African - The Nordic Africa Institute, www.nai.uu.se › Publishing › 'News from NAI' › Archives "Mauritania has not paid its membership contribution to ECOWAS for the last 16 years, since Colonel Ould Taya seized power through a coup." "In view of the current regional and global integration, it is difficult to understand why the Mauritanian President, Colonel Sid Ahmed Ould Taya, decided to leave ECOWAS, especially at a time when Mauritania's relations with its traditional allies - the Arab world and France - are at their worst. Ould Taya's stated reason for leaving ECOWAS is the organisation's decision to establish a common currency by 2004, for which the regime is not ready to give up its own currency, the Ouguiya. However, the real problem is that Mauritania has no intention to integrate or have an open-border policy with black Africa. Mauritania has not paid its membership contribution to ECOWAS for the last 16 years, since Colonel Ould Taya seized power through a coup. Situated on the cultural divide between black Africa and Arab North Africa, Mauritania suffers from a serious identity crisis. The regime's approach to this crisis has been to deny its African identity and bend over toward the Arab World. ..A meaningful West African integration will directly contradict Taya's ethnic cleansing policies...The decision to leave ECOWAS was strongly condemned by the African Liberation Forces (FLAM) which described it as racist. According to FLAM, the next regional body that Mauritania may leave is the Senegal River Development Agency (OMVS), which groups Mali, Mauritania and Senegal. FLAM, formed in 1983, is the only political organisation which challenges the ideological foundation of the regime. As such FLAM is illegal and its members have been the main target for exclusion, detention and killing. Also the main legal opposition party the Unions for Democratic Forces (UFD) condemned the decision to quit ECOWAS, especially after "having sabotaged Mauritania's relations with the Arab World and France"."- See more at: http://www.nai.uu.se/publications/news/archives/002diallo/#sthash.H6prTUbd.dpuf" etc. etc. That is my take...it seems these categories *at the borders* often reflect politics first and foremost...and the politics of Mauritania today seems to place it in the same category of Sudan (which also is now unambiguously North Africa due to its politics above all else).
Perhaps both? But really as it is not even part of ECOWAS...!
Could it say "often considered part of northern West Africa or western North Africa" and then put a reference to the debate. Or "considered both part of North Africa and West Africa," with a reference to the Arabization scheme.
How about: "As it culturally, geographically and demographically straddles the border of the Arab Maghreb and Sub-Saharan Africa, Mauritania has historically been considered both part of North Africa and West Africa"
Andajara120000 ( talk) 04:09, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
capital of tiris zemmour? it says Fderick but if you click on the region it says Zouérat? which is right? Reedman72 ( talk) 03:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Just wondering: isn't the "Not to be confused with Mauritius." sentence at the top of the article a little wierd, perhaps even offensive? I mean, how would you feel reading about your country, and the first thing it says is "don't confuse this Mauritania-thing with this completely different Mauritius-thing that has nothing to do with it"? I understand some people may genuinely confuse Mauretania with Mauritius, which is unfortunate, and perhaps I am looking at this the wrong way, but overall, shouldn't the statement be removed? I mean, we don't preface the United States page with "Not to be confused with United Nations", even though that is, on the face of it, a much more plausible mix-up. 142.157.6.14 ( talk) 15:26, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The first sentence of this section states "Today's Western Sahara was historically under the rule of the Moroccan state prior to the colonization of Spain.[25]", however the link given as a reference does actually not support this statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.120.181.47 ( talk) 18:12, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
What about arabs tribes of banu Hassan who settled their and make a vast number of population? sahrawi are not berbers, they are mixed buy they are arabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.1.241.119 ( talk) 23:07, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
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These headers from 2014 are making pages look ugly and then they sit there for years? Reading this at the beginning of every other page might make one wonder about the usefulness of the information? Or the Supplier of that information.13:48, 7 June 2018 (UTC) 24.108.234.254 ( talk) '''Bold text'This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (September 2016) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) 24.108.234.254 ( talk) 13:48, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Have there been no elections since 2009?
Not sure this is the article for a huge section on slavery as per WP:UNDUE and let's face it the norm for country articles. I am sure most would agree that this is not the most pressing issue that needs to be highlighted here so prominently with quote after quote (lazy writing). We do in passing mention this in the "Human rights" section....thus why I moved it to Slavery in Mauritania as it seem to fit best there. However this was reverted so a talk I will start. I think the article Slavery in Mauritania is best as Human rights in Mauritania covers this and is a huge article already.-- Moxy ( talk) 18:30, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
In 2012, a government minister stated that slavery "no longer exists" in Mauritania. [1] According to the Walk Free Foundation's Global Slavery Index, there were an estimated 90,000 enslaved people in Mauritania in 2018 or around 2% of the population. [2]
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I must tell you that in Mauritania, freedom is total: freedom of thought, equality – of all men and women of Mauritania... in all cases, especially with this government, this is in the past. There are probably former relationships – slavery relationships and familial relationships from old days and of the older generations, maybe, or descendants who wish to continue to be in relationships with descendants of their old masters, for familial reasons, or out of affinity, and maybe also for economic interests. But (slavery) is something that is totally finished. All people are free in Mauritania and this phenomenon no longer exists. And I believe that I can tell you that no one profits from this commerce.
Is there a reason beyond the fact that no one has updated it that there is no information on the last ten years of mauritanian politics? I don't know any good sources but i could put in some work to figure it out if it's just that no one else has done so yet. -Sophia ( talk) 19:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Currently the references to Bidhan all point to the article on Sahrawi people, but that's not quite right. It would be more appropriate for them to point to the Beidane article, but that article is brief and lacks refs. Suggest redir to Beidane, though. Thoughts? Ordinary Person ( talk) 15:21, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I recently made an edit to the lead section of this article describing Mauritania's poor human right's record. I did so as the pages for many countries with similarly poor records tend to mention so and give some elaborate on the human rights issues, such as with Turkmenistan, Eritrea, Belarus and Saudi Arabia. It was undone for being perceived as " undue weight" with a request to explain why it should be included on the talk page. DeathTrain ( talk) 21:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Mauritania has been criticized for its human rights record, including for Mauritania's continued practice of slavery, despite criminalizing it.
summarize the most important pointsof the body. Your content is not even in the body, and is hardly a summary. I can't see something like "Internet was shut down" being one of the most important points of Mauritania. starship .paint ( talk) 11:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
torture, arbitrary imprisonment, persecution of government critics and southern-based ethnic groups, and then add them to the body of the article, then I will consider the case. As you can see, the body of the article clearly presents a case for slavery. Your job is to match that. starship .paint ( talk) 08:51, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
https://unwatch.org/mauritania-set-to-win-seat-on-uns-top-human-rights-body-despite-500000-slaves/
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/mauritania
https://freedomhouse.org/country/mauritania/freedom-world/2019
DeathTrain ( talk) 20:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Do they need subsections like with slavery?in the main Mauritania article - not compulsory but YES PLEASE. starship .paint ( talk) 14:10, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
lists of abusesare suited for the body, not the lead. The lead is meant to
summarize the most important points(which would be the worst abuses). starship .paint ( talk) 13:04, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
@ DeathTrain: - let's make it clear. What, in your opinion, are the most important abuses in Mauritania? starship .paint ( talk) 12:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Historical society-based abuses such as slavery and discrimination against sub-saharan ethnic groups which are results of the caste system, along with problematic rights for women (though they have been improving),
and
Authoritarian leadership-based abuses, such as torture, arbitrary imprisonment, and limits on civil liberties. DeathTrain ( talk) 21:59, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Aside from abuses regarding its historical caste society, Mauritania’s political instability has also contributed to an enduring pattern of authoritarian leadership, which has further complicated human rights in the country. citation needed Violations such as arbitrary imprisonment and torture have been commonplace against government critics and opposition and human rights defenders. citation needed
Arbitrary imprisonment has been used to suppress political opposition and human rights defenders accusing the Mauritanian authorities of failing to adequately tackle discrimination and slavery in the country. citation needed The arrest of opposition leader and anti-slavery and anti-discrimination activist Ahmedou Ould Wediaa in July 2019 is widely perceived to be a politically motivated effort to suppress dissent by creating a climate of fear and intimidation in the country. citation needed Minority Rights Group International has called on the Mauritanian government to release Wediaa and to stop using arbitrary imprisonment to "intimidate, harass and instil fear of reprisals amongst human rights defenders and activists". [1]
Torture was described as "at the heart of the state" by Amnesty International in 2008, and has been used to extract confessions from detainees and also to humiliate and punish prisoners. Torture has become an integral part of the culture of the security forces, who have used it both in official and unofficial places of detention including private residences. Many forms of torture have been practiced by the security forces with complete impunity, including sleep deprivation, cigarette burns, electric shocks, blows in contorted positions, sexual violence and suspension from metal bars in a "jaguar position". [2]
What do you think? DeathTrain ( talk) 14:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
https://photos.state.gov/libraries/mauritania/231771/PDFs/MAUTITANIA-ENG-HR.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20110414012832/http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/af/154358.htm DeathTrain ( talk) 01:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
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DeathTrain: - great find, as in the 2014 executive summary it says: The central human rights problems were the use of torture and other abusive treatment by law enforcement officers, continuing slavery and slavery-related practices, and trafficking in persons.
This certainly makes torture prominent. I have added this 2014 report to the body, and torture to the lead.
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@ Starship.paint: What do you think of the recent changes to the lead section by user:Caroline1981? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Mauritania&type=revision&diff=1010121386&oldid=1009650805 DeathTrain ( talk) 22:44, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
As a general rule of thumb, a lead section should contain no more than four well-composed paragraphs and be carefully sourced as appropriate.starship .paint ( exalt) 03:12, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Starship.paint: Do you think that this source could be appropriate for adding content on other human rights issues, such as arbitrary imprisonment, women's rights or ethnic discrimination of minorities? DeathTrain ( talk) 21:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
According to the US State Department 2010 Human Rights Report,[91] abuses in Mauritania include:... So I think this content is already covered, because the 2011 Report, and our Wikipedia article, does mention:
arbitrary arrests ... discrimination against women ... racial and ethnic discrimination. If we want to go into fruther detail, that should be in the Human rights in Mauritania article. starship .paint ( exalt) 02:25, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Starship.paint: What do you think of the new edits made to the lead section, which notably remove the mention of torture? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Mauritania&type=revision&diff=1040821001&oldid=1038939229-- DeathTrain ( talk) 21:31, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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"In 2014, the United States Department of State identified torture by Mauritanian law enforcement as one of the "central human rights problems" in the country.[84] Ironically, Mohamedou Ould Slahi was being held and tortured at Guantanamo Bay detention camp without charge at the time"
This is disputed by the article on Slahi. He was subjected to torture in 2003 under the enhanced interrogation techniques implemented by the Bush administration. Nothing states that he was tortured as late as 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Behold Frostilicus ( talk • contribs) 01:02, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
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