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in London South Bank University Webpage I've found Its name was given by the pioneer activist Harry Hay in commemoration of the French medieval and Renaissance Société Mattachine, a musical masque group which he had studied while preparing a course on the history of popular music for a workers' education project. The name was meant to symbolise the fact that "gays were a masked people, unknown and anonymous", and the word, also spelled matachin or matachine, has been derived from the Arabic of Moorish Spain, in which mutawajjihin, relates to masking oneself. Such an opaque name is typical of the homophile movement of the time in which open proclamation of the purposes of the group through a revealing name was regarded as imprudent. Can anyone comment on the origin of the name? I can't say myself who is right.-- Dia^ 15:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
"One was known as the Société Mattachine. These societies, lifelong secret fraternities of unmarried townsmen who never performed in public unmasked, were dedicated to going out into the countryside and conducting dances and rituals during the Feast of Fools, at the Vernal Equinox. Sometimes these dance rituals, or masques, were peasant protests against oppression — with the maskers, in the people’s name, receiving the brunt of a given lord’s vicious retaliation. So we took the name Mattachine because we felt that we 1950s Gays were also a masked people, unknown and anonymous, who might become engaged in morale building and helping ourselves and others, through struggle, to move toward total redress and change." (Katz, Jonathan. 1976. Gay American history: Lesbians and gay men in the U.S.A. New York: Thomas Y. Crowell.)
In the article is: "The decidedly clandestine Mattachine Society, founded by Harry Hay and other veterans of the Wallace for President campaign in Los Angeles in 1950, also moved into the public eye with many gays emerging from the closet after Hal Call took over the group in San Francisco in 1953" Can anyone confirm that the society was clandestine at the beginning and clarify how Harry Hay and the other could be "veterans of the Wallace for President campaign in Los Angeles in 1950" when Wallace candidate for president the first time in 1964, he was in 1950 still pro-segregation -he change mind later- (so I doubt he would have had anything to do with "comunists" and homosexual as Hay and the others) and he was in 1953 elected judge in the Third Judicial Circuit Court in Alabama? Do you know anything about it? Thanks -- Dia^ 15:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Why is the NY branch given prominence in the first line? The Los Angeles group was the first group and who incorporated first is irrelevant in my view, and it's laughable in light of the Society's communist origins. The Los Angeles chapter was there first so I feel that the "of New York Inc." part, while maybe true in an abstract, corporate by-laws sense, overstates that chapter's importance as the "first homophile organization in the United States".
24.127.119.115 05:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC) Jeremy Bender
Some of the information in this article is good, some is dubious; all of it needs citation of specific sources--like those already named on this talk page, and more--so I've slapped the {unreferenced} tag on here. -- Textorus 03:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Franklin E. Kameny says Kameny founded the Mattachine Society with Jack Nichols, making no mention of Harry Hay. But the Mattachine Society article says it was founded by "Harry Hay with a small group of friends". Which is right? Dybryd 01:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that we should include a note that the article includes terms (such as Negro and homosexual used as a noun) that are now politically incorrect. Certainly, the people the article is about used the language of the day: it's hard to tell their story withtout using their language. However, it's good to tell readers that we know that some terms are now deprecated, and we know why, but we choose not to belabor the point. Perhaps WP needs a generic note for this purpose, so that other articles can use it. Donfbreed ( talk) 22:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I came to this article expecting to find something to wikilink Mattachine Review to, only to find that while the srticle does include a picture of the magazine, it gets no explicit mention in the text. If the Review was a publication of the Society, that probably deserves a mention; if it is not, then the picture is misleading. -- Nat Gertler ( talk) 15:23, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
When this article says "Ken Burns from Los Angeles" does it refer in an unlikely way to Ken Burns, the producer of numerous acclaimed TV series or someone else of the same name? Without better sourcing, this violates the policy WP:BLP and the text must be deleted. Edison ( talk) 04:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
Were they the same, or was one a subset of the other? ZFT ( talk) 03:18, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/34721/357493.pdf
Says that Sociétés Joyeuses is the organisation "Abbey of Misrule", and they performed fake sermons as satire, "Joyeuses Sermon", etc., leads me to believe that the Mattachine element is indeed a subset of the society, it has various themes, i.e., against the government, or against the church, and they put on various skits, one of them was Mattachine which is Italian for clown or burlesque.
Hope that helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.183.10.84 ( talk) 13:09, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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As far as I can tell, the NAMBLA link mentioned in the beginning of the article is not elaborated upon anywhere within nor corroborated in the source noted there. If such a connection can be sourced it should probably be elaborated upon, if it cannot it should probably be removed. It goes without saying that the claim is sensitive stuff. WineRedPsy ( talk) 09:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)