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As one of the schools in question, I have to tell you that when we are ranked by BusinessWeek, Forbes, WSJ, etc. there is ALWAYS a written release from the publisher in question that allows us to use the ranking & their name on our web site, marketing materials, etc. Fair use doesn't even enter in to it. I thought that might help to clarify the argument that you're having here. I can also tell you that most of the financial publications that rank business schools only publish a portion of the list publicly. If you want to see the whole list, they charge you for that. I hope that this helps with your argument.
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Which Unversity first started MBA and in which year —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.1.144 ( talk • contribs) 2007-03-22
May I suggest a more detailed synopsis in the first paragraph? Material from the " Breadth" section would be perfect. Or maybe move the whole " Program Content" section to the top, as this makes a better overview than the " Background" section. (I won't move any sections without a consensus.) -- JEBrown87544 23:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
This whole section still needs work. This section should be about the MBA degree, not about specific schools in other countries. I've deleted some content here as promotional fluff, and I'm tempted to delete more. The part on the UK, Germany, Ukraine, and South Africa are fine; those paragraphs focus on country-specific aspects the MBA degree, not individual schools. Ghana, India, Pakistan, etc. need to be fixed or deleted. = Axlq 17:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
What is MBA? No such definition here. It attracts ... cannot be regarded as a definition —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.101.179 ( talk) 16:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I've tagged the "External links" section as a linkfarm. I think all the links should be removed per WP:EL, WP:SPAM, and WP:NOT#LINKS. -- Ronz ( talk) 02:10, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
You got me in a panic then… I thought you deleted the "Accreditations Agencies". Now that would not be a good thing. -- Studio1st ( talk) 02:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree with those changes, as they have their own wikilinks. Studio1st ( talk) 22:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous editor persists in adding biased language and promotional text about Asian schools in the "Rest of Asia" section. I correct it, but the anonymous editor reverts it without explanation.
This article is about the MBA degree. This is not an article about specific schools or what they offer.
That section, in particular, is about special characteristics, accreditation, regulations, or alternatives to the MBA degree in other countries, not what schools in other countries do. = Axlq 14:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
It is relevant to include the fact of CHEA recognition for the ACBSP. It is relevant and the relationship is mentioned for the regional accrediting bodies. Recognition separates the ACBSP from the IACBE. Proposed change is...
"Other U.S. accreditation agencies include the ( CHEA recognized) Association of Collegiate Business Schools and Programs (ACBSP) which typically accredits smaller, private American schools, and the International Assembly for Collegiate Business Education (IACBE)." -- Caernarvon ( talk) 19:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Editors from various anonymous IP addresses have been inserting the word "US" in front of the sentence describing the major accreditation agencies for MBA programs. This small insertion completely changes the meaning of the sentence, falsely implying that "these are just the major agencies in the US." It's irrelevant. These agencies happen to accredit the majority of the world's MBA programs. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 23:41, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
EQUIS accredits more programmes. See the relevant wikipedia pages. End of discussion I think. 142.245.193.10 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:29, 4 February 2009 (UTC).
"More recently, the European School of Management and Technology (ESMT) became the only international MBA school in Germany." And what about GISMA-Uni Hannover, GBS-Uni Frankfurt, MBS-Uni Mannheim, etc.? I do not feel this statement should be included here. Wahlheiner ( talk) 12:17, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
The Times of London had an article today March entitled "Goodbye to glib gurus and their gobbledegook" http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article5860232.ece
Surely it wouold be right to have some criticism of the whole concept of MBAs in this article. Anyone can ruin a good company, but MBAs seem to specialise in screwing things up. perhaps this should be referenced-- Wickifrank ( talk) 03:20, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
The contributions of Users Wickifrank and Axlq in the preceding Section (‘Is the MBA worth anything?’) point to the need for reconsideration of a Criticism section in this article by expert editors, particularly in view of its possible relevance to the snowballing debate over the current global economic disarray. To this layman, there seems to be no dearth of material from the past 15 years. The latest reminder is Henry Mintzberg’s America's monumental failure of management, Globe and Mail, Toronto, March 16, 2009. Other recent candidates noted: Daniel Gross, Ray Soifer, Stephen Crittenden (ABC Radio, Australia).
Archive 1 (Section 3, Criticism of MBA Education) also suggested the following items: Sumantra Ghoshal, Bad Management Theories Are Destroying Good Management Practicesand Henry Mintzberg, Managers Not MBAs
Space will also be needed for consideration of the counterclaims of (and a more appropriate title for) the topic “Economics bashing” (Nicolai Fossi et al).
If the topic is to be considered by Wikipedia, should not its place be squarely within this article rather than in a separate Criticism of the MBA article, as seems to be the preference in some other controversial cases? Ombudswiki ( talk) 04:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
There is no reason to list every single thing that has the same initials as the article's subject, and this certainly isn't a likely search term. Was this someone's idea of a joke [2]? Dream Focus 11:47, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
In India MBA degree can be offered by universities but autonomous business schools like IIMS offers PGDM. This creation is made by AICTE. Both MBA and PGDM curricula are same, MBA degrees in India are based upon theoretical aspect whereas PGDM is much more industry oriented. Both are accepted by industry. Students who want to pursue Phd. have to go for MBA rather than PGDM.-- 122.173.176.243 ( talk) 04:51, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I have no idea where did find this link but honestly speaking i wrote in my own way because its a fact that the information that has been provided is correct about MBA and PGDM program in India. It seem like u would find information from other website and claim it as CP. Anyway don't remove it if you can write in your way go ahead but don't removed because it is imp part and people would get to know what is the difference between MBA and PGDM courses in India. and how AICTE gives accredit to both of this programmes. The information is vital about MBA and PGDM course in India.-- 122.163.77.6 ( talk) 15:03, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Hello, my addition to the rankings section was deleted with the comment "Amatulic (talk | contribs) m (38,154 bytes) (Revert external link - not a good ranking resource; uses extremely small sample size, resulting in a rather useless ranking.)" The sample size is actually clearly stated right at the top of the article, and it is the most comprehensive available anywhere: "These rankings were calculated by comparing publicly posted tuition and distance education fees at 90 regionally accredited and regional candidate universities in the U.S. that offer 250 master's degrees through distance education in the career area of business administration." Here is the link that was removed, for reference: http://www.geteducated.com/online-college-ratings-and-rankings/best-buy-lists/best-buy-mba-regional
This ranking is comprehensive, although only for online/distance MBA degrees. I would propose a new section covering Online MBAs and their rankings if it does not fit into the general MBA rankings section. Immaletufinish ( talk) 20:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I've been struggling with the current MBA program rankings section as its written. My major critique is that it's unorganized; the first paragraph lists a handful of current rankings, the second paragraph is a mix of general ranking methodology and history, and the third again repeats a mix of methodology and un-chronological history. I also see a lot of unqualified/editorialized statements not in-line with Wikipedia guidelines.
In the next week, I will work to fix this issues. In following encyclopedia-style guidelines, I plan to describe the history of MBA rankings in the first paragraph, a synopsis of rankings as they are currently, and a paragraph on methodology. Much of this will be a reorganization of the current material. Some new material (mainly from other Wiki pages) will be added too. The current critique of MBA rankings I think is good and will stay as is at the end of the section.
Because I'm new to wikipedia, I'd like to invite others to offer input on this idea; and as it goes without saying, to offer input once my revisions are up. Cheers! Nfusso ( talk) 15:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
(Moved from the article proper. ElKevbo ( talk) 02:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC))
There is no evidence here discussing whether the MBA has lost popularity among students or if overall enrollment in the program has been impacted any more or less than any other graduate program. Furthermore, it's a stretch to try and make this causal link when the MBA was virtually non-existent in 1929 yet people still tried to build wealth back then by buying and selling "on margin" which isn’t a practice taught in the MBA program anyway. Human nature is to blame for the financial crisis, plain and simple. 1929 was not much different than what we saw in 2007... and unfortunately what we will see again someday MBA or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.70.178 ( talk • contribs)
This sketchy section is as logical as blaming the Computer Science and/or Computer Programing degree(s) for the dotcom bust of 2000. What about the savings and loan crisis, which degree shall we blame that one on? The financial tools and instruments investment used to manipulate the system in the current crisis are not taught in the MBA program.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.2.70.178 ( talk • contribs)
Should the definition at the top indicate whether the MBA is a professional degree? It appears to be more of a practical degree than a theoretical degree. Siriuskase ( talk) 21:55, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it's a professional degree. I've since added that info in October 2014.-- TDJankins ( talk) 05:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Can those who are edit-warring over whether this is a terminal degree please discuss your positions and evidence? Continuing to edit war will likely lead to blocks or protection of the article. Thanks so much! ElKevbo ( talk) 20:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I would support saying that the MBA is considered a terminal degree. It is not expected that top people practicing in the field of Business Administration will need to pursue additional study to achieve that rank, for example CEOs. Even the alternative mentioned in the Fortune article linked below, the law degree, is generally a JD, also generally considered a terminal degree. JDs and PhDs are up to 30% of the total of 'other' advanced degrees held by CEOs. Doctorates in Business, whether professional doctorates or PhDs, are not a commonly pursued or held credential as compared to the MBA degree's popularity among business leaders. I couldn't find similar support for small business owners though. Maybe there's a competing point of view there for the higher level degrees outside of the S&P 500?
"About 40% of S&P 500 CEOs have an MBA, in any given year. It is, by far, the degree with the most representation among such executives. Between 25% and 30% of S&P 500 CEOs have another type of advanced degree, like a PhD or law degree." Dec 18, 2014 The MBA degree and the astronomical rise in CEO pay - Fortune [1] 173.175.71.110 ( talk) 02:32, 23 July 2016 (UTC) HDL
Let me try that again. The logic to conclude that MBA meets the already linked definition of a terminal degree: My original comment is linked to an article with support that an MBA meets the definition of a terminal degree that was linked to in this article. The definition of a Terminal degree, "In many cases such as law and medicine, the first professional degree is also the terminal degree, usually because no further advanced degree is required for practice in that field, even though more advanced academic degrees may exist." i.e. CEOs are top people practicing in the field of business. Most CEOs of largest public companies have MBAs, therefore for business the MBA can be considered a terminal degree within the top business profession. Another paper showing CEO education breakdowns can be found here [2] at the bottom of page 6 if you just want a separate source article for the CEO stats. 173.175.71.110 ( talk) 20:15, 30 July 2016 (UTC)HDL
I doubled up on the citations, so we now have (1) Peterson's (probably the oldest and most respected education company) and (2) the "Complete Book of Graduate Programs in the Arts and Sciences." If that's not sufficient, perhaps nothing short of God himself intervening could straighten out our confused friend. If the IP editor removes it again, I'll get the article page protected.-- TDJankins ( talk) 11:49, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
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Can't find a source but perhaps someone more familiar with the subject can - I don't know whether this is true or not.
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