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I've been removing onlineutah.com from all the pages it is currently on, because (a) it's spam (for a realtor, and for Google ads) and (b) it appears to be copyvio, copied from a Utah encyclopedia. It certainly shouldn't stand as a reliable source, and probably not as an EL either. I'm not reverting your reverts, but wanted to let you know the rationale behind removing the refs.
tedder (
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06:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)reply
I found the onlineutah.com link via a Google search. If it is indeed copied from a Utah encyclopedia, it would be helpful to know that encyclopedia so that the source may be updated. By the way, though copyright violations are certainly a concern, if they occur outside Wikipedia they're pretty much also outside the scope of
WP:COPYVIO. Thanks! --
JeffBillman (
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07:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)reply
Thanks both of you for the heads-up. In looking at the source it didn't jump out at me as pure spam and even after reading
WP:SPAM I still can't say this specific source is blatant spam. Yes, it does have a ton of ads, but the link in the article is not placed to promote anything and the page does indeed have information directly related to the article. And as a citation, it never was just an
external link. I am definitely searching for an additional source (or at least the source of OnlineUtah), but for now I think it is OK, epspecially for a relatively non-important article and fact. I have seen many
reliable sources online that have a lot of ads on them. Thanks again for all you do with spam removal, though! :) --
JonRidinger (
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07:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)reply
I've researched the UHE, and unfortunately I don't see a reference that substantiates the claim that
Mantua, Utah was named in Snow's honor after this township. It certainly seems probable, but at this time I don't feel comfortable allowing the claim to go unsourced. (More to the point, I'm actually more comfortable allowing the onlineutah.com source to remain than to remove the citation entirely.) Thoughts? --
JeffBillman (
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22:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)reply
My thought is that it would be best as an external link, not a cited source, it misses the main point of
WP:RS: "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". It's a self-published source of some sort. I have objections against the spamminess of it too, but ultimately it isn't a reliable source. If you'd still like to use it as a cite (since it isn't being used to back up anything big).
tedder (
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22:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)reply
Well, ideally we'd find a reliable source, put it in the place of the onlineutah cite, and be done with it. (I don't suppose you have one hanging around somewhere? ;-) ) If it's important to you that the existing onlineutah cite be removed, though, I can agree to removing the cite and replacing it with
Template:Fact for now. --
JeffBillman (
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22:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)reply
Meh... it's outside BLP scope, as Snow has been dead for a century. The more I think about it, let's remove it and replace it with a cite needed. The "damage" done by an uncited claim is far outweighed by the potential spam, copyvio, and RS concerns at work here. Thanks for your help! --
JeffBillman (
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23:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)reply