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MPH did not travel to LA, California with his maternal grandmother. She died while they were previously in NYC, which is what precipitated his move back to LA. I hesitate to make the edit, because I don't want it to be removed, but if someone sees this, please do! Johnoh5464 ( talk) 19:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Added NPOV template due to biased language throughout.
Added clean-up template because there are statements taken from the PRS website verbatim without citing.
Language, while positive, isn't particularly biased. It's certainly not inaccurate, and is no more POV than any number of other biographical articles. Deleting Neutrality template. — Clarknova 05:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Can someone add them back please, I don't know how to do this, particularly or not the article is biased, the idolatry tone is uncharacteristic of wikipedia, and the sentences as the other user said lifted off of this (dead) guys website, being in the occult such types are generally very hush hush about their doing, that doesn't mean that whatever represantation they get in wikipedia shouldn't be well balanced, as much as it can. 195.134.69.158 15:27, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Manly Palmer Hall is another figure like Eliphas Levi and Athanasius Kircher, whose more or less personal speculations have been taken up by others as supposed occult and/or mystic "age-old ancient traditions". The language in this article may be relentlessly positive, but in fact it is quite true that he's been very influential among English-speaking 20th-century occultists and New Agers (even though many of them have never heard his name). AnonMoos 00:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
From what I gather, Mr. M. P. Hall was anything but 'hush hush' about what he knew. The Secret Teaching of All Ages is dedicated to demystifying the occult sciences and making them accessible to anyone who is inclined to pick up the book and read it. (CMS - January 2007)
One of the problems with this article is the lack of basic biographical information, as well as the problems with tone. There's a good biographic article in this issue http://download.dailygrail.com/subrosa/SubRosa_Issue6-Single.pdf of the online magazine Sub Rosa; it would be a good place to start at least. Proptology 04:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion, the recent edits have eliminated pretty much all of the NPOV problem, although it looks like when you remove the overblown language and idolatrous tone, what's left is basically a stub. Should it be marked as such? I think the NPOV flag can probably be removed now, at any rate. There was some interesting stuff edited out (necessarily so) from the original article, and it probably needs to be replaced somehow. For instance, The Secret Teaching is his best-known work, so it might be worth putting back a précis of it. The current list of publications seems too selective; the more complete it can be made, the more useful it will be. Proptology 02:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm also of the opinion that this article is looking fairly neutral in its POV. I'd be in favor of removing the flag. I have more info and sources I can add to the selected works, I just need to find them in my sagging book shelves. Darrell Wheeler 12:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the fact that this once-article now reads like a stub, and while I am no fan of M.P. Hall, I believe having such an abridged biography here is a disservice to the information. The historical importance and influence of Manly P. Hall within this genre of writing is profound and far-reaching and created a legacy within the esoteric arts. There are many things that are absent in the information, including a photo, which is easily obtained and should be restored. I recommend an editor familiar with MPH and the PRS in Los Angeles should re-write this page in its entirety.-- Chieflamedeer ( talk) 22:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The entire article is just a copy of the brief bio from this site: http://www.manlyphall.org/ Exxoskeleton ( talk) 10:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Saw POV tag from other page, been up for half a year. Article is slightly POV. I wouldn't say bad, but some rewording is in order. Hooper ( talk) 19:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I removed this newly-published biography (July 1, 2008 according to Amazon) from the ref list because it is not cited in the article. It could probably be useful in fleshing out the entry, but needs to be specifically cited to be included in the refs section: Master of the Mysteries: The Life of Manly Palmer Hall by Louis Sahagun (Process Media, ISBN:978-1-934170-02-1).-- Typing Monkey - (type to me) 16:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
My observation is that the bio is unduly conservative - and - I would point to the absence of any information about the circumstances of his passing let alone the rest of his personal life. Whilst this might be found elsewhere it is a glaring OM mission on these 'legacy' pages which are hopefully to be securely passed onto the future. The manner of his death was the aspect that drew me to this wiki article.
In view of his importance I assume this is intentional rather than a reflection of his waning relevance. Naradaian ( talk) 10:01, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
Hardly any information about Manly P. Hall or his work. His Secret History of the Ages is required reading those entering the higher degrees of Freemasonry, yet very little --if anything-- issaid about this book, his most famous work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.28.57 ( talk) 01:14, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
In the following early sentence appearing in the article, there is an unpaired quotation mark; please correct or remove the sentence:
His nascent interest was solidified by meeting—and becoming a student of—Sydney J. Brownson, "a diminutive horse-and-buggy doctor and Civil War veteran in his early 70s" who had set up business as a practitioner of phrenology, "the pseudo-science popular at the turn of the century that divided the brain into areas responsible for noble traits such as heroism and despised ones such as cruelty, and mapped them out in patterns on the surface of the brain. Hall delved deeply into "teachings of lost and hidden traditions, the golden verses of Hindu gods, Greek philosophers and Christian mystics, and the spiritual treasures waiting to be found within one's own soul." Less than a year later, Hall booked his first lecture, and the topic was reincarnation.[1]
LeProf 50.179.245.225 ( talk) 06:38, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
…because nearly all information contained here is from the primary works written by Hall (via quotation), or from a single biography by Sahagun (that appears to have POV issues), or is from a similarly non-neutral source (PRS Journal). This is in a very sad state with regard to objectivity. LeProf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.179.245.225 ( talk) 06:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Three references fail to serve as references, instead (i) providing further information without clearly indicating the source(s)/page numbers of the in-text statement bearing the citation number or of the further in-reference information, (ii) editorializing via extensive affirming quotations, or (iii) presenting information or analysis amounting to original research, and therefore contributing to the January 2013-dated issue of the article being over-detailed. Specifically:
The following reference text, earlier appearing as reference [16], fails to indicate the page number from which the stated information is taken, and is otherwise quotation-intensive, and is a subject-aggrandizing, POV-questionable editorial on the book that is subject of the subsection (the quotations being taken from the primary religious source), and therefore is unsuitable as neutral content:
The following reference text, earlier appearing as reference [17], fails to indicate the page number from which the stated information is taken, and otherwise presents information/analysis amounting to WP Original Research (no sourcing for the analysis appearing), and contributes to the January 2013-dated issue of the article being over-detailed:
The following reference text, earlier appearing as reference [18], fails to indicate the page number from which the stated information is taken, and otherwise is information contributing to the January 2013-dated issue of the article being over-detailed:
The suitability / value of each of these long, non-citation "references" should be discussed before they are re-introduced into the text; minimally, the specific sources of the information appearing in the text, and of the extra information and analysis presented in the footnote must also appear, so that it is not OR. LeProf 50.179.245.225 ( talk) 08:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I've read somewhere that elephantiasis made him extremely fat, and he needed 2 chairs to sit down. Is this true, and if so, should we mention it? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
Received some recent news coverage over "Secret Teachings of All Ages" being found on Osama bin Laden's bookshelves: Secrets of Osama bin Laden's library: The mystic, searching book now being misinterpreted as a conspiracy text (Salon.com) etc... AnonMoos ( talk) 17:32, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
The warning on the front of the article contains these concerns among others:
Do we need a giant banner on the page in order to warn the reader of the same issue five times? - Miskaton ( talk) 18:34, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Vital biographical information covering many years is missing and too much detailed publisher's information is included about one particular book. That book can have a separate page as it contains very little original writing and is a compendium of research done at libraries; basically it has no original research and is not related to any development or revelation in his intellectual life. He published incorrect information about the ancient Egpytian pharaohs in his book, and it was known as being incorrect by Egyptologists at the time he published it: he obviously did not know what he was talking about and did not care to check with scholarly sources. He just copied a bunch of obscure information in libraries and got some pictures and threw them together. I purchased this book and read it and it was so large and bulky it would not fit on a regular bookshelf and it had nothing really irreplaceable in it: I tore the picture of Count Racokzy out and threw the book away and have not missed it. It is well known that in his later years there was some bizarre and unexplained ongoing behavoir (most are mentioned in the Lachman books) and incidents and suspicious business dealings, including a rewritten will a week before he died, and the doctor refused to sign his death certificate after some unexplained injuries were discovered. 97.76.210.2 ( talk) 21:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)FFE <Gary Lachman's published books incl: "Revolutionaries of the Soul", pg. 89>
I added the subtitle of The Secret Teachings of All Ages - An Encyclopedia Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalistic and Rosicrucian Symbolic Philosophy. This very important book should have its own article! 2601:589:4705:C7C0:CC25:99AD:493:9246 ( talk) 17:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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In the Personal Life section of this article there exists a rather chunky paragraph discussing his masonic affiliation, half of which has to do with the Scottish rite. In my opinion, this is a little excessive. A sentence saying he was a member of a lodge and that he achieved the 33rd degree would haver been sufficient, but even then. Wikipædia is a general encyclopædia, not one dedicated to Esoterica or Freemasonry. If there were no references I would remove the entire paragraph. Does anyone else see "the light"? UaMaol ( talk) 02:17, 18 December 2021 (UTC)