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The European influence "theories" on the Mandan tribe are highly speculative and at least a little racist. Any mention of them in this article should not advance them as anything but a marginal theory. -- Alexwcovington ( talk) 23:02, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The European theories are highly speculative. I have rewritten this article several times to downplay them. Someone keeps changing it to give those theories more importance AND to add racism to the article, which is misleading. Why not leave the article as factual and neutral as possible?
Take a look at the change I made today. The problem I had with your wording was that it said the Mandan/Madoc theory was advanced due to racism. I can't find that anywhere in any of the readings I've done, and, in fact, the article we've been playing with was the only one mentioning racism. I have no problem saying the theory is speculative and unproven, which it is.
Just curious about Mandan/Arikara re Hidatsa; I found this page by looking up Gros Ventres, of which the Hidatsa are one part (the other are the Atsina). Also wanted to comment that at some point there's got to be a different "Hidatsa" article, as that's also the name of one of the initiatory longhouse secret societies in Pacific Northwest Coast cultures; I think the word is Kwak'wala, I'm not sure. Skookum1 05:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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subgroup of
Gros Ventres, needs separation for language/people, as well as edit/formatting/wikification of existing and already lengthy text. --
Skookum1 (9 May 06)
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