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A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]
Most people would consider the
Chicago Sun-Times to be "reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject."
I'd say this citation (along with association to the exteremely notable Obama family) is more than sufficient to establish notability. Also, he's getting smeared (or subject to speculation, depending on your point of view) in the right-wing press/blogosphere as being a radical muslim militant, trained in the Soviet Union, etc. I personally highly doubt that any of these charges will hold merit, but whatever you may think of them, they make for
controversy &ndash and sooner or later this guy's going to be "notable for being notable" (which you may not like, but that you can't deny he's become a subject of widespread interest.)
Yellow Rain (
talk)
03:15, 30 June 2008 (UTC)reply
His notability is only due to his association with a notable subject. However, he has no inherent notability and, as is frequently mentioned in discussions of this type, notability is not inherited. Barack Obama's coffee mug is also, mentioned several biographies of him, but that doesn't mean we need to create an article called
Coffee mug of Barack Obama. To your point, if he really is becoming the subject of "widespread interest" and you can come up with some (non-blog)
reliable sources to demonstrate as much, then a case could be made for keeping this article. --
Loonymonkey (
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03:33, 30 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Further, this is merely a short blurb that is part of a family tree piece about Barack - not an article about Abongo. Tvoz/
talk17:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't suppose you could have said that in a more neutral manner, like, "please comment at the article deletion discussion" rather than "please help save this important article"? Do you see the difference? Tvoz/
talk03:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
This is an article talk page, not the body of an article proper. Do you see the difference (as to the need to be "neutral", whatever that means)?
Yellow Rain (
talk)
21:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
This section is rather close to
canvassing, don't you think? How would you have reacted if, say, I had posted a section that read "Where to help get this article deleted" with text that read "please help have this unimportant article removed"? Yes, this is a talk page, and I haven't taken this further, but I think the section is in conflict with basic Wikipedia policies and guidelines and was not proper. And if you're having trouble understanding what "neutral" means, a good place to start is to read
WP:NEUTRAL which makes it quite clear. Tvoz/
talk05:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Allegations of radical affiliations
My personal is that these are bunk, having looked far and wide for anything resembling a verifiable reference. The reason I included those two references (IBD, Toronto Sun), and am re-including them now, is to show how species these allegations are (from what is known at present.) Their inclusion was by no means a personal attack in the sense of
WB:BLP.
Yellow Rain (
talk)
21:59, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
ABC News: Roy Obama (of "Dreams of My Father")/ Malik Obama identical
See here. This should be reflected in the name of this WP article.
In Obama's book Dreams of My Father, interestingly enough, he writes about meeting Malik as an adult: “I checked into the cheapest room I could find and waited. At nine, I heard a knock. When I opened the door, I found a big man standing there with his hands in his pockets, an even-toothed grin breaking across his ebony face. ‘Hey, brother,’ he said. ‘How’s life?’ In the pictures I had of Roy, he was slender[...].----JAKE TAPPER, ABC NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
In the article it's mentioned that he has dual citizenship. Two articles are used as a reference, but one article is no longer at the original URL and the second article mentions it without providing any proof or reference. Considering that both his parents are Kenyan and he spent and spends most of his life in Kenya, does anybody have any idea when or how this happened, or if there is a better reference for it? I don't see anything suggesting he spent an extended amount of time in the US apart from occasionally visiting, and I don't believe his father had dual citizenship before he was born. (I don't see anything about dual citizenship on his father's page at all, although he certainly spent a lot of time in the US after he was born, so I could easily believe his father eventually got US citizenship maybe, but that wouldn't apply to Malik if it was later.)
Centerone (
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18:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Wow, that article is kind of crazy and it basically says he does and says all this bonkers stuff that is all back and forth. It seems like not much of it is in this article, and I think I'd like to see more verifiable references, it's so odd!
Centerone (
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04:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC)reply