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Especially in this section, citations are needed for any contentious topics. I've added a few tags after sentences i thought were particularly needing them, but the section as a whole just doesn't read as very encyclopedic to me. In specific, i'm talking about the syntax of the last three sentences, which sound like the warnings from a prescription medicine commercial (no offense intended). Any help in finding these sources would be greatly appreciated -- especially by whoever wrote the section in the first place. Archtemplar 18:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
While the interview suggests that there are differences between Naha and Shuri makiwara, it's from a specific viewpoint and is contrary to pretty much every makiwara I have encountered in Goju Ryu (Naha) dojo around the world, including Goju Ryu dojo in Naha! There have been various reversed edits that attempt to correct the misconception. It appears that an author with a specific view isn't keen on change or accepting that their view it not universal. So I propose changing the 'types of makiwara' section to something more like 'standing makiwara' with a sub that one person has a specific opinion separating naha and shuri makiwara, but that a more accepted (with citations) view does not support the distinction Xasperated ( talk) 02:54, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to move, per the discussion below, although there may be support for a "Makiwara" section in a future Hojo undō article. Dekimasu よ! 14:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Makiwara → Hojo undo — Broaden scope of article to include all martial arts conditioning tools Scott Alter 23:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Hojo undo is a form of martial arts conditioning using specific tools. For those unfamiliar, see [1] [2] [3] for some examples. -- Scott Alter 23:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I am not just proposing to rename the article (if so, I would agree with User:RogueNinja). I want to expand the scope of the article to also include other martial arts conditioning tools (known as hojo undo). Other than the makiwara, there is probably not enough content to warrant an article on each individual tool. And even now, how much more could be written about the makiwara. I believe the content would be better and more focused if all of these tools are in one article. The Makiwara article would redirect to Hojo undo. Just because someone has never heard of the name of the style of conditioning does not mean the name should not be used - especially since hojo undo is the appropriate name. And again - I will be making a page on Hojo undo. I believe that the makiwara article content should be merged with the new page...but rather than merge them after I create a hojo undo page, I want to use the makiwara page as a starting point. -- Scott Alter 00:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
When I get some time, I'll just make a new article, and try not to duplicate too much. For makiwara, I'll have a short decription with a link to Makiwara using {{ Main}} -- Scott Alter 17:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Interviewer: Sensei, it appears that you favor using the makiwara punching post. Can you tell me a little about its use?
Sensei: There are two kinds of makiwara. One is called a Shuri-makiwara and it stands to the height of the instructor's breast bone. The other is called a Naha-makiwara. The Naha-makiwara was mainly used by goju-ryu practitioners. It stood as high as the instructor's solar plexus (the bottom of the breast bone). The shorin-ryu practitioner would stand up in the kihon dachi (basic short stance) and throw the punch at the board. The goju-ryu practitioner would punch from a shikko dachi (square stance). The dojo usually had two kinds of makiwara. One was a soft/pliant makiwara and the other one was usually a stiff/hard makiwara. The soft one was used to develop speed and form while the stiff one was used to develop power. Both had to be used. If they were not, then you would develop problems with the shoulder. Nowadays, most Okinawan practitioners use only the Shuri-style makiwara because the Naha-makiwara is too difficult and hard to use. The soft makiwara is off center about five inches. The measurement is from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the forefinger. By punching the soft makiwara, you end up with the board in an upright position -- this way you make sure that you are using the correct knuckles.' Tkjazzer 18:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Original source: http://www.ihadojo.com/IhaSensei/index.htm -- Scott Alter 22:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be fun to have a list of dojos (grouped by styles) that use makiwaras in their training. This would be a link and not added to this article. Thoughts? Tkjazzer 21:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
makiwara and apartment living
I do not have a makiwara, but I have a friend who does. What you do (for any portable makiwara), is build a platform to stand on, attach a stand to one end, and place the makiwara in the stand. Here is a picture of the entire setup 1, and this is a closeup of the stand 2. The force you use to strike the makiwara is transfered upward from the platform, using the stand as a fulcrum - but your weight on the platform keeps the makiwara from going anywhere. If you do build one of these, make sure that the base wood is strong. I have broken the bases of makiwara that used soft wood. Also, you may need some type of cushioning under the platform to absorb the vibrations. Hitting a makiwara generates lots of noise and vibrations, which your neighbors might not appreciate. --Scott Alter 22:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
You can try just using thick, but firm carpet. Alternatively, you can try dense foam. Anything is better than wood-on-wood or wood-on-concrete. It gets complicated, because you want something soft enough to be absorptive, but firm enough to stand on. You can always add this later, and use trial and error. --Scott Alter 22:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
The height for a makiwara I like is roughly shoulder-height. My punches are usually aimed at the height of my sternum. That height allows me to have a good punch (wrist straight - metacarpal bones in same plane as radius and ulna) and make contact using my second and third metacarpo-phalangeal knuckles. --Scott Alter 00:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)