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Who took out the "author" reference in the beginning paragraph?! PLEASE PUT IT BACK!!! I'm so sick and tired of this vandalism. Some people with real feeling of hate toward the singer do everything in their power to ridicule and destroy this article. PLEASE FIX IT! THANK YOU. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.163.207 ( talk) 21:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Anyone with half a brain can see that the claim of..what? 180 million record sales is NOT true. In fact, your own website contradicts itself. Go to the "List of best-selling music artist" page and you will see not ONE, but TWO citations (one of them from Rolling Stone Magazine) saying she has sold 175 million albums and 75 million singles. 175 + 75 = 250. Okay? Thanks. 76.112.102.98 01:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree..Mariah Carey in fact not the biggest selling female. Her sales cannot be confirmed officially because RIAA is a US-based company not worldwide! Her sales figures is considered CLAIMs not FACTs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewan20s ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Madonna's being titled in almost every article as the 'Queen of Pop'; it's almost as it's her second name. That title should be out there in the beginning of the Wiki page, and not just mentioned at the 'Criticism' section as "... while some proclaimed her as the queen of pop..." That's just not right and doesn't do justice with her. The "Queen of Pop" title is an integral part of the reference and the description of Madonna in the media. That's just a fact – just google her and you'll see that in more that 95% of the articles she's being called just that. In fact that title is almost like her second name in the media. That should be fixed in the Madonna page.
i must agree infact it seems odd that it isnt in the lead. i woundn`t concider it to be fan wording to put it there, the only people who would question it would be those who hate her inwhich case have bias themselves surely. Realist2 19:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, Realist2. So can you do something to change it?
It's not there today. Someone should add it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.122.74 ( talk) 09:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I added it now. STOP REMOVING IT!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.247.14 ( talk) 19:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
"Madonna is commonly being referred to as the "queen of pop" in the media." DO NOT REMOVE THIS SENTENCE
Madonna is the Queen of Pop and everybody know about that in this whole world, cause that nobody try to delete my edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonio Cassano ( talk • contribs) 09:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
"...somtimes being referred to as the "queen of pop"..." Doesn't sound good - It should be: "commonly being referred to..."!! Can someone fix it??!! Plus remove the "Material Girl" reference!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.163.207 ( talk) 21:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree, Queen of Pop for Madonna because she has redefined a pop culture through her sexuality, fashion, music, image and persona. She beyond the word entertainer because she managed to stay on top for 20 years. David Letterman in the Late Night Show even mentioned it a few times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewan20s ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
WHAT'S GOING ON?! The "Queen of Pop" reference is out again!! PLEASE PUT IT BACK THERE! "Madonna is commonly being referred to as the "queen of pop" in the media." THIS SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.174.193 ( talk) 07:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it's time to update the intro and write that teh IFPI ahve finally confirmed that Madoona HAS SOLD MORE than 200 million albums The most official source in music idustry confirms: Madonna's unprecedented album sales for a female artist top the 200 millio albums (which means well more than 300m million records worldwide including singles, probably 320/330) Source... [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.70.181.217 ( talk) 17:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
I agree with you..Ifpi.com, Ifop, Guiness World Book and Billboard mentioned MADONNA is the biggest selling female artist few times!
Here is the list of the biggest selling artist ever: 01. The Beatles : 40 albums - 400 000 000 albums sold (UK 1962-1970) 02. Michael Jackson : 14 albums - 350 000 000 albums sold (USA 1979-) 03. Elvis Presley : 150 albums - 300 000 000 albums sold (US 1956-1977) 04. Madonna : 16 albums - 275 000 000 albums sold (US 1984-) 05. Nana Mouskouri : 450 albums - 250 000 000 albums sold (Greece 1959-) 06. Cliff Richard : 60 albums - 250 000 000 albums sold (UK 1959-1999) 07.The Rolling Stones : 54 albums -~250 000 000 albums sold (UK 1964-) 08. Mariah Carey : 14 albums - 230 000 000 albums sold (US 1990-) 09. Elton John : 43 albums -~220 000 000 albums sold (UK 1972-) 10.Celine Dion : 21 albums - 220 000 000 albums sold (Canada 1990-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewan20s ( talk • contribs) 20:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
User 84.45.196.194 wrote This seems to me like the rantings of a fan, aiming to score one above the criticisms. There are no sources quoted, and weasel-words are predominant.
Well, the one that created the Criticism section admitted to absolutely hate Madonna, which denotes some bias. And the review of Love Profusion that was given was a blatant rant. I wrote great Madonna lyrics. Those who reviewed Love Profusion chose the simplest lyrics of the song in order to bash it. "We all know she can't write lyrics...", "...even for a retard." THAT was a retarded rant! Some artists' articles like Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey and many others don't even have a criticism section. I'm only being objective and would write the same thing for any artist.
Israell 12:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I now edited the Objectiveness section and it's perfect. Israell 09:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Madonna has influnced many pop stars over her 25 year career and yet this is not mentioned. She is also one of the most sucessful and famous women on all time, and yet this is not mentioned. She is also the most successful female tourng act of all time and yet this is not mentioned. Madonna needs a pop culture section, and a list of all the singers she's influnced, if it wasnt for her non of them would exist. She is also the most powerful women in music history and is also in the UK hall of fame along with elvis.
Is it necessary that this have its own section? Can't it be incorporated somewhere else in the article. We cant comment on EVERY aspect of Madonna's lifestyle Peter2012
- YES WE CAN! Thats the beauty of an online, uncensored & unlimited information site like wikipedia. Any and all correct reliable information can and should be included in articles. The more correct & detailed info an article has, the better! And just specifically about the diet and exercise section, I was actually quite shocked at how small it was! Diet and exercise are a HUGE part of Madonnas life and public image! She spends several hours every single day doing all kinds of exercises and workouts, and she is now almost as renowned for her incredibly fit body as she is for her music! Therefore the diet and exercise section should definitely be expanded with also a focus on how it is a large part of her public image. HF3 - 15 January 2007
The term 'artiste' is definitely more appropriate to describe Madonna Louise Ciccone than 'entertainer', which is used for circus clowns, cabaret shows, etc, which is absolutely ridiculous. Madonna is an artiste not an entertainer - she is pop star! Do not use words like idiosyncratic, sure you jest, but the term 'entertainer' is more idiosyncratic than artiste which is a more appropriate term... If there are any alternative choice of words, prefably it would be (Singer/Actress), (Performer) or (Artiste
'Entertainer' is an insult to the Madonna whom u classified her amongst circus clowns, cabaret show girls, magicians, stand-up comedians and game-show hosts... Madonna is not in the same category as them! Stealthusa 06:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Shut up moron they call MJ an entertainer and he is 1 billion times better then Madonna
- Please tell me you are taking the piss?!? Peter2012
Perhaps can we settle to Madonna (singer/actress) or Madonna (performer), i still do not like the term entertainer, it makes her looks as if she is some showgirl or circus clown! Please do not revert back! Stealthusa 13:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
MADONNA, ELVIS, ROLLING STONES ARE NOT REAL MUSICAL TALENT, NEITHER WAS SINATRA, THEY CANT DANCE, WRITE SONGS, OR DO THE THINNGS MICHAEL JACKSON, PRINCE, JAMES BROWN OR EVEN BEATLES CAN DO
It seems that there are different interpretations of the meaning of the word "criticism" as used in the header of the same name. In terms of artistic review it encompasses comments that are both negative and positive. Hence a 'film critic' can critique a film and say nothing but good about it, or nothing but bad, or a mix of both. The "criticism" section would be more balanced and more in line with WP:NPOV if it summarized critical commentary both negative and positive. But the last thing this article needs is another essay or another injection of POV. Perhaps a different heading would make it clearer - perhaps "Critical comments" or "Critical commentary" etc. The "objectiveness" section is anything but objective and appears to be completely POV. (At least the criticism section is sourced and attributed) however I can see the value in tempering the exclusively negative tone of the "criticism section". Rossrs 13:36, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
- Quote: "Despite her alleged rebellion, Madonna had both of her biological children baptized in a Roman Catholic Church."
- This is untrue. Rocco was baptised at Dornoch Cathedral which is Scottish Presbyterian. See http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/dornoch/cathedral/index.html , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Scotland 90.196.224.89 22:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
User 84.45.196.194 wrote This seems to me like the rantings of a fan, aiming to score one above the criticisms. There are no sources quoted, and weasel-words are predominant.
Well, the one that created the Criticism section admitted to absolutely hate Madonna, which denotes some bias. And the review of Love Profusion that was given was a blatant rant. I wrote great Madonna lyrics. Those who reviewed Love Profusion chose the simplest lyrics of the song in order to bash it. "We all know she can't write lyrics...", "...even for a retard." THAT was a retarded rant! Some artists' articles like Janet Jackson, Mariah Carey and many others don't even have a criticism section. I'm only being objective and would write the same thing for any artist.
Israell 12:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I now edited the Objectiveness section and it's perfect. Israell 09:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, the criticism section was very much negative. It makes Madonna look like a talentless Warner Bros. doll that sold a lot but can't write lyrics, sing etc. As I said earlier, some artists' articles, like Janet and Mariah's don't even have a Criticism section. Madonna's didn't have one but some anti-Madonna people insisted on there being a Criticism section. and they made it very much negativer by using horrible quotes, especially the brainless Love Profusion review.
It's an insult to Madonna's songwriting talent. She's always been writing songs. She wrote most songs on Madonna and Like A Virgin. She's was already very talented at it. There is a difference between criticism and blatant dissing. Madonna wrote so many compelling lyrics such as: "I traded fame for love without a secong thought. It all became a silly game. Some things cannot be bought. -Drowned World-" You can tell that there is no substance and professionalism in that criticism.
Israell 09:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
That's because the Criticism section was made in a very negative way. It was made by someone that admitted to hating Madonna and it's NOT an anti-Madonna page neither. Some artists' articles don't even have a Criticism section. It makes it look like she CAN'T write lyrics. It's only fair to BALANCE things and make it neutral. And I did edit it.
Israell 02:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Israell -- Wikipedia is not a fan site. An Objectiveness section has no place here. It does not exist under any other entry on the site. Period. If you have a problem with balance in the Criticism section, then rewrite that section to reflect the balance. But recognize that we're talking balance -- not cheerleading. -- Mhking 03:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
One more thing, I just balanced the Criticism section and as I said earlier, other artists' articles such as Mariah and Janet don't have a Criticism section. Madonna's Criticism section is nothing but bashing her as it was made by anti-Madonna fans. Also, the article is getting too long -it got a lenght warning- and it's a waste of space because everything in that section was ALREADY addressed elsewhere in the article. Other parts of the article do mention the Sex/Erotica scandal, the Like A Prayer scandal, the David Ritchie contoversy, people doubting her talent because of controversy surrounding her etc. A Criticism section was honestly NOT necessary. Since it was so negative, I balanced it. There might need to be a vote on that whole section.
Israell 00:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page to suggested title, per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 07:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Madonna (entertainer) → Madonna (performer) — Concerns have been raised at the talk page about the connotations of "entertainer". Other suggestions have included Madonna and moving the disambiguation page, Madonna (artiste), and Madonna (singer/actress). ShadowHalo 03:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
OK. That edit MUST be good. Since ONE line from Love Profusion was added and criticised negatively, I added ONE Live To Tell line and added a source that criticises it positively. We're equal and even now. lol Editing a Madonna page is so hard hard. This I know. lol
However, Madonna's vocals on Live To Tell were considered her best by others at the time [1].
They deemed Live To Tell's lyrics poignant. [2] "A man call tell a thousand lies. I've learned my lesson well. Hope I live to tell the secret I have learned. 'Til then it will burn inside of me." [3]
Madonna also received good reviews from some reviewers for her Love Don't Live Here Anymore cover [4] which was described as "heartfelt vocal" [5].
Some critics do see Madonna as a talented songwriter [6] [7].
Israell
08:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
This article is way too long and should be divided into sub-articles Epachamo 02:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Keep the opening paragraph as short and obejective as possible. Lines like "She is 'COMMONLY' referred to as Queen of Pop or sometimes just "the Queen" are total nonsense. Madonna is NOT "COMMONLY" referred to as that, but SOMETIMES. And nobody calls her "THE QUEEN" except her uber-hardcore fans. PatrickJ83 02:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Copy that - while we're at it, can we remove that thing about "adopted name Esther"? 99% of the population doesn't know that. rich 02:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Would this picture be ok to use for the main page??
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/Mag/070618_Issue/070608_BZ01_vl.widec.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.197.135 ( talk) 16:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
http://images.forbes.com/media/2007/01/women/women_4.jpg PatrickJ83 00:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I was doing some thinking of the inclusion of this 'title' in the opening salvo. As fitting as it is for her position as the highest selling female artist (it is VERY UNLIKELY M. Carey has outsold her) it still smacks of bias and fan idolatry. Perhaps this should be removed from the opening paragraph to make it more professional. Opinions? PatrickJ83 00:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
WELL MIRIAH IS MULATA, MIXED WITH BLACK SO MADONNA IS LIKE AN ELVIS YOU KNOW PLAYS BLACK MUSIC RING A BELL?? You see, it's impossible to come to an understanding with you. We removed "commonly" that was added by others, replaced it by "sometimes" and now you want it completely gone when it caused no problem, when it's true and factual that she is referred as such.
Several newspapers, journalists, websites and publications did credit her as being the Queen Of Pop. It's not just a "fan thing". Madonna's widely known as The Queen Of Pop just like Elvis Presley is widely known as The King Of Rock and Michael Jackson as The King Of Pop. Courtney Love is now starting to be known as The Queen Of Rock. I said that first and Linda Perry said it several months later as well as some other people. Israell 03:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I just visited the Elvis Presley article and "The King of Rock 'n' Roll", as well as "The King" were included in the opening paragraph. Israell 20:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Well Elvis was widely known by those titles where as the Madonna ones are not very widely known. No doubst sources do exist but i for one have never seen her referred by those titles in print. WhizzBang 20:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that those titles should be added to both the Madonna and Michael Jackson articles, not just Elvis. Madonna and Michael might have been called that less but they were called that very often throughout their entire careers. Often enough to be included. Israell 20:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
^that was the most incoherent bunch of babble I have ever tried to read. Dude you lack clarity, validity, and clearly taste. Madonna is the undisputed Queen of Pop. She is both critically and commercially acclaimed as an artist (more so then any of those people you mention.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.20.151.218 ( talk) 04:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
About the Queen Of Pop thing... well I did find this on the IFPI website look into this link http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/plat_month_20060913.html where Madonna is awarded her 4th platinum for COADF note the Queen Of Pop reference...
Whoever it is sign your comments and don't talk in Caps. 80.43.9.157 13:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Madonna is commonly called The Queen of Pop, don't know what rock your living under but I work for a newspaper and we are always told to put Queen of Pop when writing about Madonna.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.110.54 ( talk)
Yes i agree with mhking, Queen of Pop is fair and the media all over the world has branded her that in many occasions. Even David Letterman in the Tonight Show addressed to his audiences; Madonna is the Queen of Pop and Paul the musician added ...the word icon in the list.
See Youtube.com. Thanks.
I understand that you don't wanna glamourize her or anything but there is nothing wrong or biased about the Confessions Tour info. I did not put it there first, it was there for weeks and no one had a PROBLEM with it in the first place. Why is there such a big fuss about it now?
The Rolling Stones article does mention a tour in the opening paragraph. Why not let those read the article KNOW that fact. Why conceal the knowledge?
In your opinion it might be irrelevant but I do not share it and others agree with me. In my opinion, that info is more pertinent and relevant than the Forbes magazine info that is not necessarily that accurate. Let's compromise and leave both the Confessions Tour and Forbes magazine info there. Israell 03:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but you're misfocusing and dishonest. What the hell were my edits? Please, tell me. I did not add anything new. "fashion trendsetter", "Queen of Pop", the Confessions Tour info were all there for weeks. Already there when I first read the article. No one had a problem with them. No one said it looked cheap, biased or irrelevant.
I don't know what kind of demon possessed your spirits but there HAD to be a big fuss over puerile things. If those pieces of information caused such a problem, were so bad, they would have been removed a long time ago by established users.
I just don't understand the big fuss NOW! Just because I do not share your views does not mean I'm wrong. Mine are as valuable as yours and we need to work together if we want to achieve it.
I can PROOVE that I'm NOT the only one that sees "Queen of Pop" and the Confessions Tour info as pertinent. Someone ELSE just added them back! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.154.162.136 just put it back! I swear that's not me! You see? I ain't the only one in this assessment.
But the choice is yours... HONOUR the choice of the majority that sees "Queen of Pop" and the Confessions Tour info as pertinent, true, factual or keep on OBSESSING on deleting it. I'm backing off. No time to waste. Thank you. Israell 06:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
One more thing, I visited the History pages and as of October 31st 2002 Queen Of Pop was already there. "Madonna is the stage name used by Madonna Ciccone, a pop singer considered by many to be the queen of popular music. She has had a long career that has been full of success and controversy."
I went to the Bette Midler article and saw that: "Bette Davis Midler (born December 1, 1945) is an American singer, actress, and comedian, also known to her fans and especially in gay culture, as The Divine Miss M." You see? They put her title, The Divine Miss M, there! They don't see it as so irrelevant! Israell 07:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh. That wasn't me. Always visit the History page to see who added/removed things. I know you knew it wasn't me. Just a general message. Israell 09:47, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't this in the main section? Madonna is not only the richest woman in music, but she is also one of the richest in the world. A lot of people want to know about Madonna's Net Worth. I have done years of research on Madonna's fortune and i believe a lot of people want to know aswell.
Net worth
Madonna is the richest female singer in the world, and one of the richest self-made women in the world, with an estimated net worth of over $850 million. Her wealth is closer to $850m USD than the reported $665m. In 2004 alone, she earned more than $50 million with her Re-Invention Tour which became a new record for a female singer on The "Guinness Book of Records".[4]
. On ABC's "Life of Luxury", which aired on December 13, 2000, Madonna was named the richest female artist with an estimated fortune of $613,000,000. Madonna just may be a billionaire herself... if not today, then very shortly in time.
Aside from her music and films, Madonna is also involved in the magagement of MadGuy Films; Boy Toy, Inc.; Webo Girl; Siren Films; Slutco, Inc..
Maverick Records was the most successful "vanity label" in music history. While under Madonna's control it generated well over $1 'billion dollars for Warner Bros. Records, more money than any other recording artist's record label. She helped bankroll Alanis Morissette and Michelle Branch's careers.
Alvin Hall, presenter of World's Most Powerful on BBC News chose Madonna as the World's Most Powerful Celebrity, followed by Oprah Winfrey. —The preceding
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One of the problems of the articles are the constant changes. "In addition, Madonna holds the record for the top-grossing concert tour by a female artist.", has been replaced by "In addition, Madonna holds the record (previously by Cher) for the top-grossing concert tour by a female artist.", and finally by "She also holds the record for the top-grossing concert tour by a female artist."
"She is often referred to as the Queen of Pop." has been added too.
Wikipedia should have a new policy. Edits should first be approved before featuring on articles. It would save us time, prevent vandalism and we would not have to keep on reverting/correcting them. Israell 04:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
"She is also a fashion icon! Realist2 10:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC).", " August 16, 1917 - they added a fake birth year- I am old , like literally 100 years old... I cant act or sing just to let you know.... thanks again.", "She is the person who ever made it into the music world. She needs Tony thinks shes sooooooo hot though.", "maddona is now staring the the new video she is also a singer for cradle of filth." All 4 comments have been added from Jan. 28th to Jan. 30. by those 4 users: "Redmotherfive, 71.233.242.180, 81.145.241.87 and 69.130.190.15". I requested semi-protection. Israell 11:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
please change her birthyear; it's currently listed as 1928 (age 78)!
203.79.252.193 13:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC) 2/8/07 MADONNA HAS THE WORLD'S BIGGEST NOSTRILS...SHE LOOKS LIKE RAMOANA AFRIKA.
Does any know how to pronounce Madonna's last name (Ciccone)? Thanks!
"Chick - ony" (ony rhymes with "Tony") Rossrs 20:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
No, that's how an American would pronounce it. Like Americans pronounce "versah-cee". You pronounce it "chick-oney" trying to avoid sounding like "chick-oneyyyyyy". Dollvalley 14:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It should actually be pronounced "chi-CO-nay" in Italian. Sirlizard 14:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but she's American by birth and pronounces it herself as "Chick - ony" whether you "approve" of it or not so it doesn't matter how the Italians or the French or the Chinese, for that matter, pronounce it. It's her damn name after all. CanadianMist 22:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I have edited the intro to give it a more encyclopedic feel. The information that has been removed is available elsewhere on Wikipedia in the article
There was a big dispute recently and I love and I'm satisfied by the way Downtown723 settled everything. QOP was moved to the Criticism section and the rest remained on top. As Rossrs said, the intro is a summary of the article. In one moment, it gives the readers all that pertinent information. If they're in a hurry, can't read the whole thing and so on, they can still have an overview of her career and achievements. The Michael Jackson article has a MUCH MORE longer intro and there were no concerns. It gives those who visit his article much information in an instant. Celine Dion's article intro is longer too and does NOT address criticism even though the article does in the image section.
On another note, the article is much more stable since it was protected. No more vandalism, insults, foul language etc. Israell 17:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Seems like the number is 8. It kept changing. http://www.iconmadonna.com/index.php http://www.madonna.com/
I can't believe there's no picture or mention of the pointy bra! 71.222.200.138 05:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Trivia
Madonna Wayne Gacy, member of the band Marilyn Manson, pulls his name from pop star Madonna, and notorious serial killer John Wayne Gacy.
I just saw on M6 Channel Madonna has sold more than 350 million records worldwide making her (according to the add) the world best selling female artist ever breaking then Mariah Carey record. I'm searching for the link. Readerweb 00:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-sel...
Mariah Carey with the most Number Ones doesnt mean she is the world's biggest selling female due to:
1) US market share of the world music is 30-35% for album. She is big in the US (no doubt) but EU is 31-34 % the second largest market follow by Japan and UK. This is the market Mariah fails to penetrate until now. Her 17 th Number One hit in the US could not be translated into total sales because charts often include all the request by listeners and number of airplay in the radio station too.
2) In 2005 US was the biggest market for singles- 85% of world's market but Mariah havent had any hit albums not before 'Emancipation' is released. Her last 2 albums flopped before 2005.
3) She has only 3 Number One hits in UK and forget EU sales in France, Germany, France and etc. She is big in Japan but other artist also big in Australia and South America. Celine and Madonna are worldwide artist even they had less Number One in the US as compared to Mariah, Celine and Madonna are dominating UK (England, EU (France), Asia (japan), Australia and South America.
4) During her 'Glitter' album, her record company dropped the price of her single CD to 0.99 cents per disc and that why 'Loverboy' ended at Number 2. Forget her 'Charmbracelet' album...no top 10 hits at all.