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The statement in the lead needs tightening. First off, it needs to be explained that this is not any ordinary record-deal that only includes album and singles sales, but one that relinquishes rights to all her present and future musical and musical-related en-devours, including tours, merchandise etc. Additionally, the source doesn't exactly say the amount in unprecedented, only that the deal has never been done; its the model for future deals of this kind.-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 06:13, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
It has been years now that I've been waiting for someone to change that title of the article. Madonna is an artist. I do not get "entertained" while listening to "This Used To My Playground" or "You Must Love Me". She performs her art, writes her songs, plays her guitar and sings. These are forms of art as is acting. When someone says "entertainer" most of the people would imagine a comedian or maybe a clown. I sincerely sense that this title was given by a person who doesn't like Madonna. If she is not called an "artist" then no other pop musician you can call "artist".
-- Gross indecency ( talk) 23:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
The "Influences" section says, "Conversely, author Lucy O'Brien feels that the impact of the rape is, in fact, the motivating factor behind everything Madonna has done, more important even than the death of her mother". What rape is that? No rape is mentioned anywhere else in the article. —Angr ( talk) 21:15, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Does this kind of information really belong in an encyclopedia article? "Mrs. Ciccone, at a loss to explain her dire medical condition, would often begin to cry when questioned by Madonna, at which point Madonna would respond by wrapping her arms around her mother tenderly." "...and achieved notoriety for her unconventional behavior: she would perform cartwheels and handstands in the hallways between classes, dangle by her knees from the monkey bars during recess, and pull up her skirt during class—all so that the boys could see her underwear."
Really? She hung from the monkey bars during recess? She "wrapp(ed) her arms around her mother tenderly? Why is this even here? It reads like a cheesy biography written for Oprah's target audience, not a serious and informative encyclopedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.6.112.200 ( talk) 19:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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Time to change the photo that appears on Madonna's wiki page. It's old, from 3 years ago, and worst of all, it doesn't represent her. It doesn't showcase her attitude, sex appeal, and energy which she is known for. This photo would be great: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nrk-p3/3767119338/in/set-72157621751827855
Whoopiedoo ( talk) 01:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Wikipaedia article currently says that 'Ciccone' is 'chee-co-nay'. Since when!? Madonna and her family have never pronounced it that way. It's more like 'chikonee', with the first syllable ('chi') spoken very quickly and unstressed, the second syllable ('ko') spoken with emphasis, and the last syllable 'nee' pronounced with average speed and unstressed.
The edit made above was not made by me. My response to it: Madonna and other English speaking people pronounce 'chee-co-NEE', "nee" like "knee". I think the article should either omit that mention or show both pronounciations. Israell ( talk) 23:10, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
So the intro to this article says that Madonna: "is an American recording artist, actress and entrepreneur who slept her way to the top and hasn't gotten any work over the last year or so because she is unable to be sexually active."
I'm not the biggest Madonna fan, but that seems wildly inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.136.76 ( talk) 03:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
According to the Toronto Sun, Madonna has begun her first day in the recording studio working on her new album today on July 4th. Can you verify if the source is credible. If it is, it could be used on her new album's article once enough information is complied to warrant an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwannago92 ( talk • contribs) 00:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2011/07/04/madonna-back-in-studio
Normally, a newspaper would generally be okay. But the problem is that the newspaper article has twitter as its only reference which is not a viable source to use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorlack36 ( talk • contribs) 00:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I found another source, this time being CBS News Celebrity Circuit, which also uses Guy Oseary's tweet about Madonna being in studio. The article also cites Rolling Stone in terms of Madonna possibly working with A-Track and David Guetta on her new album. Is the article reliable or not? Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20077160-10391698.html Iwannago92 ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone else take issue with the introduction to the article? In my opinion, it should be more along the lines of the likes of Michael Jackson, Kylie Minogue, etc. It seems to summarize her musical achievements in just a couple of sentences, and yet it dedicates an entire paragraph to smaller achievements that she is not well-known for. Madonna is known first and foremost for her music. 99.121.80.210 ( talk) 08:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
She wrote very few (if any, as is debatable) of her own songs, across her entire career. This article manages to give the contrary impression and smacks of Warners Bros interference. I would like to see some input from inner industry people here. 203.161.144.190 ( talk) 04:39, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Madonna wrote the vast majority of her songs... Most songs OR all songs on all her studio albums. Please check her album songwriting credits. Co-writing her songs means Madonna shares ownerships of her songs with one or more writers; those are her own songs as well. Israell ( talk) 16:35, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I vote for "singer-songwriter". A singer-songwriter doesn't have to write all or most of their songs all by themselves. I know that in some cases singers that co-write their songs write all their lyrics... Some of them also compose melodies and other parts of their songs (chords, hooks, basslines, etc.). And no, they don't have to play any instrument... Many singers that only co-write their songs are still labelled "singer-songwriters" in the lead of their Wikipedia articles, so why are Madonna's and Christina Aguilera's articles any different?
As I stated in another section of this talk page, Madonna wrote the vast majority of her songs... Most songs OR all songs on all her studio albums. Please check her album songwriting credits. Co-writing her songs means Madonna shares ownerships of her songs with one or more writers; those are her own songs as well. Israell ( talk) 16:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
One question... How much time does any critic spends IN the studio, at home or anywhere else with Madonna and anybody else that works with her? How can they claim or suggest Madonna is not so involved in the writing process of her songs if they're never actually present when the songs are written???
You cited COADF as an example. Who wrote the lyrics? Price? It's a well-known fact, not opinion but fact, Madonna is the one that writes most of her lyrics. Most lyrics of Madonna (5 songs out of 8), most lyrics of Like A Virgin (5 songs out of 9), and basically everything as of the True Blue album.
Her co-writers are mainly involved with the music. Besides a few lyrics in Isaac, Madonna wrote ALL the lyrics found on Confessions On A Dance Floor. Is it intelligent for a critic to claim Price is the real reason COADF was so successful? People like Madonna's songs for her singing and lyrics, the message of her songs as well as the music they hear, not just the music.
Madonna confirmed at the time of her Like A Prayer album she writes her own lyrics and also gets involved in melodies but people can't bring themselves to see her as a "slut and a songwriter", and that they omit the information on the label that states she writes her songs.
Madonna was asked by Regis Philbin who wrote the lyrics found on American Life and Madonna answered: "Me." Regis then told her it must have taken her quite awhile to do that...
Madonna said in one more interview the lyrics she wrote for Hard Candy were more introspective than the lyrics she wrote for COADF. It is a fact, not an opinion, that it is Madonna that comes up with most of her lyrics, and she does sometimes (I can't tell how often) get involved in the musical aspect (melodies and such).
Madonna, by the way, played the guitar on her last 4 world tours as well as her last 4 studio albums (Music, American Life, Confessions On A Dancefloor and Hard Candy) + some keyboards on Like A Prayer and cowbell on Madonna - The First Album... Madonna is a professional musician, instrumentist and guitarist, and labelling her a singer-songwriter is NOT a strech by any mean whatsoever.
I'll come up with any good comments from critics that call her a singer-songwriter that I can find but as I explained, such comments aren't so relevant as those critics are never actually present when the songs are being conceived. How can they tell for sure who wrote more??? It's nothing but a baseless assumption. Israell ( talk) 17:56, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
You're right. To write a song is to write music, to be able to create melodies (a composers' work)... And to write lyrics (an authors' work)! It is part of songwriting too! ASCAP, for instance, in its song registration process, credits composers, authors and composer-authors.
If an artist that only composes is a songwriter, an artist that sings and works as an author (writes lyrics), must be a singer-songwriter even if they don't compose... According to ASCAP, an a composer is a songwriter, so is an author, so is a composer/author... And I've proven Madonna gets involved in the musical aspect of her songwriting too, not just the lyrical part.
Madonna stated that she sometimes gets involved in creation of melodies, and I've shown that she did play the guitar on her last 4 studio albums and played the guitar on her last 4 world tours... Madonna's definitely gotten much more involved in the musical aspect of her songwriting for the last 11 years.
I'll try to come up with references later. In the meantime, you haven't been able to explain how can those critics suggest Madonna doesn't write much when they're never present when the songs are being written... Israell ( talk) 18:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Must all those sources be available online? Not all books and magazine articles are made available online. There are tons of websites (not fansites but various websites) and articles that bill Madonna a singer-songwriter but how many of them are "high quality" enough? Israell ( talk) 18:45, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Legolas, I understand what you're saying but in most people's minds, singer-songwriter is quite superior and prestigious than recording artist, and I don't understand why would Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, P!NK, Mariah Carey, Nelly Furtado, Miley Cyrus and others be called singer-songwriters in the lead of their articles and not Madonna (that does often play the guitar and basically writes all her lyrics). I understand it's a featured article and criteria got stricter. If I can find great sources to back up my point of view, I'll present them here.
That being said, writing both recording artist as well as singer-songwriter in the lead could be an option... Israell ( talk) 19:21, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm gonna have to agree with Israell here. Madonna is much more than just a recording artist. Not only has she wrote the majority of her own material, she also has been producing it in the recent times. Personally, I don't consider an artist a singer-songwriter just because they write their songs as well, production also should be included with it. For example, Taylor Swift writes all her songs (some with co-write, some with none) and co-produces them as well, and she is labelled as a singer-songwriter. I don't see much of a difference here. I don't necessarily believe the lead should be changed, but I think the beginning could be expanded on a bit more. "Madonna...is an American recording artist, songwriter, actress, producer and entrepreneur" or something of the sort. That may be able to make everyone here happy.
And Nathan, why must you always shade Ms. Aguilera? I do not appreciate comments such as this: "so drop her off at rehab on the way". It makes it look a little bias when you reviewed Bionic for me. ℥ nding· start 19:48, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Here is one link. I was told a number of times the Telegraph is a good source for Wikipedia, so here we go (excerpts of Telegraph Madonna biography):
"From material girl to earth mother, Madonna has constantly confounded expectations and kept her fans wanting more. One of the biggest stars of a generation, she is officially the most successful female solo artist. Born on August 16 1958, Madonna is a singer-songwriter, record producer, dancer, actress, documentary maker and author. The third of seven children born to an Italian American family in Michigan, Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone always dreamed of being a star. Her mother died of breast cancer when she was six and she was raised by a strict father, taking dance lessons and becoming a high school cheerleader."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/3200303/Madonna-profile.html I'll add more links and sources as I find them. Israell ( talk) 20:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
This one is from Rolling Stone: "...she is an exemplary songwriter with a gift for hooks and indelible lyrics," http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/madonna/albumguide Israell ( talk) 21:08, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
There is nothing in the lead right now that tells readers Madonna DOES write her own songs... Nothing at all suggests it! The infobox does but the lead should immediately tell readers Madonna IS a singer and a songwriter, an artist that does write her own songs, sing her own lyrics, instead of an artist that does not write anything at all and just sings songs completely written by others. Readers must receive such pertinent information in the lead. Israell ( talk) 21:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Renowned songwriter Billy Steinberg:
"I'm a big Madonna fan," Steinberg says. "I think she's actually very underrated as a songwriter.
I happen to know that Madonna often writes songs to tracks that people give her. She's writing the lyric and the melody, which is huge.
"She's a really effective pop singer, too." http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2008/03/indefatigable_madonna_to_be_en.html
And that's what Madonna is currently doing. Her manager Guy Oseary said weeks ago Madonna's been listening to tracks for her next album. Israell ( talk) 02:15, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Madonna's songwriting has always been her most underrated quality. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/confessions-on-a-dance-floor-20051103 Israell ( talk) 02:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
AGREED. Who the hell says that recording artist credit singer-songwriter! Britney Spears is also written as recording artist, but did she write her materials like Madonna did? LOL. Michael Jackson's article has singer-songwriter, Mariah Carey has, Madonna should have also, definetely!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.243.235.247 ( talk) 02:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Legolas2186. You've just reverted my edit, leaving this edit summary: "You did the exact same fancrufty thing that was frowned at FAC". I don't understand what you mean. Would you kindly explain? PRRfan ( talk) 15:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Madonna's last name is pronounced chee-kyo-nay in Italian but chee-kyo-nee in English, and we know Madonna herself pronounces it chee-kyo-nee. I heard her pronounce it that way in an interview. There was even a time she spelled it "Cicconi". Should we let readers know about the actual English pronounciation? Israell ( talk) 04:37, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Wow. I came to this article trying to find out how many times she's been married - and apparently you need to read the entire article word for word to figure it out. Any other celeb article mentions this data in the lede, or in the infobos. Check out Sean Penn's infobox for an example. Ditto children. This article just seems like a big, impenetrable fan site devoted to her career. Wouldn't it make sense to have at least a single paragraph devoted to "family" or "relationships" or something similar? 68.144.172.8 ( talk) 03:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I think we should start Personal relationships of Madonna, just like Personal relationships of Elvis Presley or Personal relationships of Michael Jackson (GA-class). Her personal life is very notable and has been huge media coverage for decades. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.213.165.34 ( talk) 13:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
It's absolutely ridiculous that Queen of Pop is not listed as her title. What do we have to do to get Wikipedia to just correct one simple glaring omission??? This shouldn't even be an argument! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.60.195.138 ( talk) 23:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Madonna is the Queen of POP, why is it not written on the opening paragraph, like
Aretha Franklin,
Michael Jackson, or
Elvis Presley. Some other artist might be sometimes called Queen, but that term is the most associated to Madonna. Please ADD!!
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/photos/readers-poll-the-queen-of-pop-20110706 — Preceding
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Pretty much every music magazine, blog and reporter. commonly refers to Madonna as the Queen of Pop. Why is this not listed near her name in this article. I realize I'm not the first fan to report this omission, but it bares repeating. She is synonymous with this title and it is publicly accepted. You would never dismiss calling Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, she is a female equal in every way. Please do this artist the justice her career deserves and correct this!( 173.60.195.138 ( talk) 21:04, 29 August 2011 (UTC)).
I'd sure like to know what "consensus" this is in order to instil such utter arrogance in the creators of this site. The debates of this title are hardly legitimate. Just one more reason why Wikipedia isn't taken seriously by hardly anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.213.121 ( talk) 07:18, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
She just announced that her new album would be released in the spring here is my source http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=667738>1=28102 I — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.214.164.105 ( talk) 21:56, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
A own article for the new album will be great. Some infos are released. Single Feb/March 2012, Album in the spring, working together with William Orbit. Production in NYC & London etc... 79.214.147.76 ( talk) 10:30, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I think this whole section is just full of explanation about her behaviour in shocking/manipulating public or how great Madonna as businesswoman, just take a look to that bunch of last paragraph. It lacks of description about Madonna's musical impact or "real" influence on other people. This is one of interesting analysis I found about Madonna influence in music world, please someone add this to this protected page. Thank you http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26164523/ns/today-entertainment/t/has-madonna-surpassed-beatles/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.11.61.142 ( talk) 04:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Of her new album or tour in the article? Just curious. There's plenty of reliable sources confirming both next year. — Status { talk contribs 01:16, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
I have found a free image of Madonna from the Toronto W.E. premiere. Its uploaded here. What do you think? I believe it is of sufficient resolution to change the main profile pic. Four years is a little too much and Madonna changes image constantly. — Legolas (talk2me) 07:14, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} Madonna (born Madonna Louise Ciccone (Italian pronunciation: [tʃik̚ˈkoːne] chee-CO-nay); August 16, 1958) is an American singer-songwriter, actress, film maker, dancer and entrepreneur. Born in Bay City, Michigan, she moved to New York City in 1977 to pursue a career in modern dance. After performing in the music groups Breakfast Club and Emmy, she released her debut album in 1983. She followed it with a series of albums by which she found immense popularity by pushing the boundaries of lyrical content in mainstream popular music and imagery in her music videos, which became a fixture on MTV. Throughout her career, many of her songs have hit number one on the record charts, including " Like a Virgin", " Papa Don't Preach", " Like a Prayer", " Vogue", " Frozen", " Music", " Hung Up", and " 4 Minutes". Critics have praised Madonna for her diverse musical productions while at the same time serving as a lightning rod for religious controversy.
68.150.25.114 ( talk) 22:46, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
I think we are due an update on the photo in the infobox. Its from over 3 years ago and is not current. Can I maybe suggest the one being used in the W.E section of this page from the Toronto International Film Festival or another current one which has a profile shot of Madonna. What do you think? JWAD Communicate|Nicely 09:55, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
please change the photo, its 4 years old, it's a horrible picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.163.99 ( talk) 23:00, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't represent her well at all. She's done a lot since then. What reason is there for NOT changing it??? Why are people on Wikipedia so stubborn and lazy? Must be ran by women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.213.121 ( talk) 22:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
I actually love the picture. But it's true a refreshment could be used as this one has been up for awhile. Israell ( talk) 07:43, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
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The main photo for the wiki page of Madonna NEEDS TO BE CHANGED NOW. A recent photo of her at the Venice film festival would be perfect. Every time I go on Madonna's wiki page (which is often), i'm always disturbed by seeing that no one cares enough to CHANGE IT.
Thegirlieshow ( talk) 06:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Some coverage of her stance on Gypsies and Roma, leading to her being booed in Hungary would be worthy of inclusion. 80.42.225.105 ( talk) 02:50, 23 October 2011 (UTC)two 80.42.225.105 ( talk) 02:50, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
That is totally irrelevant. She's from Michigan, not Italy. Varlaam ( talk) 14:43, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
That's not a problem. Wherever she comes from, "Ciccone" is still an Italian surname and should be pronounced in the way Italian people say. Bluesatellite ( talk) 14:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't full agree that "it should be pronounced in the way Italian people say". Madonna herself pronounces: "Chee-ko-nee". She pronounces "NEE", not "NAY". Just like she prounounces: "Ma-Don-Na", the English way instead of: "Ma-Do-Nna", the Italian way.
Considering this, the lead could also include the English pronounciation of her name, the one she and any other English-speaking person actually use. Israell ( talk) 07:39, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I went to school with Madonna and her brother Chris at Rochester Adams High School, and the family pronounced their surname "sick-CONE." Definitely "Chris 'sick-CONE'". I realize people can change how they pronounce their surname. Scottknitter ( talk) 16:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I think her "Labels" should reflect this information. link 76.98.223.32 ( talk) 07:00, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
According to the December issue of Harper's Bazaar, Madonna is reportedly very upset about the leak of new single "Give Me All Your Love," which sounds like a 60's pop-mash between Avril Lavigne's "Girlfriend" and Madonna's own "Beautiful Stranger." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.26.95.207 ( talk) 14:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
"Madonna, seen here on The Virgin Tour, had a bright, girlish vocal timbre that became passé in her later works." Somebody needs to look up the word "passé" and then re-write this to say what they really mean. GeneCallahan ( talk) 19:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
It's an entire series of products too. A press release was sent out last week. 76.98.223.32 ( talk) 11:07, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Hello., Just like to add a sentence or two on how Madonna is really popular in asian music especially in Kpop, Since one Kpop group called Secret has a song called (Guess what?) " Madonna". And is it ok to add pictures of Madonna in the Madonna(Secret song)article? I know its kinda silly since Madonna has also a song called Secret. anyways many thanks. Mazic ( talk) 14:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
How can this page not title her with the status Queen of Pop??? I'm aware there's a wiki page that lists other artist under this title, but none of those are legitimate. it makes no sense not to put it in her page. How can hundreds of articles over the passed decade plus calling her this not warrant ANY mention? No other artist is called this on any regular basis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.213.121 ( talk) 22:31, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The "Queen of Pop" title needs to be in her introduction. She known worldwide as the Queen of Pop. Michael Jackson has "King of Pop" in his introduction! — Preceding
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Would someone please add dates when each the photos were taken to all of the captions? It would be nice improvement to see them up-front rather than having to click on most of them to find out. Thanks ! Charvex ( talk) 09:05, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Madonna's Sticky And Sweet world tour is not the biggest tour by a solo artist, Michael Jackson's HIStory world tour is the biggest tour by a solo artist he entertained over 4.5 million fans while Madonna's reach 3.5 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADKIc3mAnX ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
Is there any way to make that phrase less vague in the first paragraph, which currently has a sentence that begins "She followed it with a series of albums that attained immense popularity by pushing the boundaries of lyrical content in mainstream popular music and imagery in her music videos"? Leonxlin ( talk) 21:22, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering what people thought of having a Business ventures or Entrepreneur section to the article? Madonna's record deals - Sire, Maverick, Maverick vs Time Warner/WMG, Live Nation, Semtex Films, work for H&M, Max Factor, D&G sunglasses, Material Girl clothing, Truth or Dare by Madonna, Vita Coco, Pepsi, Pioneer etc. I think this would be a good idea as she is listed in her infobox as "entrepreneur" and Forbes magazine in their October 1, 1990 edition had her on the front cover with the quote "America's Smartest Business Woman?" as she had earned $125 million USD from 1985–1990. She has also been included in numerous Forbes lists. What does everyone think? 2012 Communicate|Nicely 20:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC) 20:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello,
I recently learnt that Masterpiece was nominated for a Golden Globe. See: 69th Golden Globe Awards. Pls add this info. Thx, -- OrsolyaVirág ( talk) 13:27, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
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"Celebration" needs to be removed from her Discography. It is a Compilation/Greatest Hits and was NOT a new Studio album. If Celebration is going to be kept on that list, then her other Compilation/Greatest Hits Albums need to be added.. "Immaculate Collection", etc
Thegirlieshow ( talk) 20:24, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
What is her legal name? Is it just "Madonna"? Some people seem to claim it is.. could someone please add a section about her name, when (and if) she changed it, what it legally is, and any other disputed facts please? At the moment the article doesn't appear to address any of these issues.. thanks, 137.82.175.12 ( talk) 20:34, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
The new album title "M.D.N.A." is a tetragrammaton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.251.80.157 ( talk) 08:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
It's not a "tetragram" as you said, it's a tetragrammaton (at least read the article!). It's as tetragrammaton as well as MLVC (her real name Madonna Louisa Veronica Cicconne). Madonna is just obssessed with occult Kabbalah studies, including tetragrammatons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.62.9.33 ( talk) 17:56, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
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NAME: MADONNA LOUISE VERONICA CICCONE
175.38.198.151 ( talk) 10:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
madonna.com has updated the reference [1] and the album title is now called simply MDNA with no points inbetween (before it was written as M.D.N.A.) Its the same for "Give Me All Your Luvin" (the original madonna.com link stated the single as "Gimme All Your Luvin") - they have updated both links with their new titles. Even Madonna's official youtube account has released an MDNA Teaser video here [2] 2012 Communicate|Nicely 20:56, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
I believe a new more recent infobox picture should be uploaded (the current one is from almost 4 years ago). -- 189.241.143.62 ( talk) 02:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
From Madonna's Facebook feed: "Madonna just officially announced the name of her upcoming studio album, which is 'M.D.N.A'!" 66.26.95.207 ( talk) 15:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
This is the confirmation: https://www.facebook.com/madonna/posts/10150587188209402 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.70.216.46 ( talk) 16:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
she's a old plagiarist of the devil!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.34.254.251 ( talk) 07:47, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Given ongoing concerns about use of sources by User:Legolas2186, who nominated this article for FA status, I have started spot-checking sources for this article. I have found an alarming number of issues: 10 in the first 32 refs checked. The high rate of problems indicates a complete work-over is going to be needed if this is to maintain Featured Article status. This is a high-visibility BLP, so this should be considered an urgent matter.
Note: I do not believe I found any instances of deliberate fabrication of information about the subject. Most of these statements are probably accurate, but are not verifiable because the sources that been cited have nothing to do with the text. Very strange.
Ref 3, close paraphrasing:
Ref 4(b), fails verification:
Ref 4(c), fails verification:
Ref 4(d), fails verification:
Ref 8, fails verification:
Ref 20, fails verification:
Ref 20, incorrect/fails verification:
Ref 22(a), fails verification:
Ref 32(a), fails verification:
Ref 32(b), misapplied/redundant.
More surely to come. -- Laser brain (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Refs 21 and 22 (in the current version) are probably switched. Ref 21 does mention "Everybody", with a release date of April 24, 1982, which was the date given in the article though much of its history, and ref 22 is more focused on the recording contract. Gimmetoo ( talk) 13:30, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
"career and personal life" should be separated into two sections as most other wiki biographies are. 108.85.122.100 ( talk) 05:01, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't know if this has been discussed before, but why is this article titled Madonna (entertainer)? Surely it should be Madonna (singer) in line with other singers. Yes, she has done some acting, but she rose to fame as a singer and continues to be first and foremost known as a singer. Entertainer makes her sound like a circus performer or children's entertainer. It's very non-specific.-- Tuzapicabit ( talk) 22:13, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
Recently I've made some editing of the lead, but it was reverted by user:Bluesatellite citing that "Huge change for a FA-class article should be discussed first". So I go here. =}
My vision: I like the first paragraph being another "nutshell layer". The first layer is (of course) the first sentence, and the third layer for me is the lead as a whole (the next layers being sections and - in a way - "sub"articles, if the subject is too broad). I like the conception of "zooming into the subject" to be more coherent, that's why I try to make first paragraph autonomous as a second layer, and so I would like to have here all the main achievements, and not the artist's introduction to the career. The lead for me doesn't even have to be chronological overview, it's better when its paragraphs rather concentrate on most important things and glue them into logical (as a contrast of chronological) "clusters". kocio ( talk) 12:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Pronunciation of her last name should be checked. Someone gave it a faux-Italian transcription. — kwami ( talk) 08:43, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
This woman presents her faith in the occult powers openly and she says openly that she is a student of the Cabala. But no word about it here in Wikipedia. Someone should insert it. (Now we are more than 10 people observing the evident censorship behavior of this mass media technology ... go on, delete this line). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.55.194.186 ( talk) 07:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I guess Obama-loving Kool-Aid-drinking Wikipedia editors only like the truth of THEIR choosing. Madonna made at least one porn movie back in 1979. Yet no Wikipedia editor seems to be interested. Madonna of course managed to erase that part of her past and Wikipedia is quite happy with half-truths. No wonder they're Al Gore fans. Ready for more Hope and Change, you stupid gullible peons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.60.54.205 ( talk) 07:19, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
weird and pathetic, yes. racist? -- 96.20.251.10 ( talk) 18:47, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
"kool-aid drinkers" is a reference to blindly following ideas. It stems from the Jonestown incident. While there is also a stereotype about black liking kool-aid (in a literal, rather than metaphorical way), the guys use of the term doesn't seem to refer to that. I've got to rule on the side of "wrong, maybe crazy, but not racist." 108.85.122.100 ( talk) 05:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Madonna's full name is Madonna Esther Louise Ciccone, isn't it? Naamatt2 ( talk) 17:26, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Can this picture be used as the main article picture? http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/552812_433137470033101_174564172557100_1933069_172941613_n.jpg Is it public domain? I don't know how to figure out if it is. Israell ( talk) 09:24, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
can you add a section about Madonna transvestite claims because of this picture http://www.gossipcop.com/wp-content/uploads/Madonna-Muscles1-241x300.jpg and about Piers Morgan banning her because of her man arms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.111.246 ( talk) 08:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
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Hi
In this section: Artistry\Musical Style
Could this:
As she explained, "I sing about shattering an image that you have of somebody, but I also sing about loving someone that wish you didn’t love. Because you know that you’re doomed, but you can’t stop yourself."
Be changed to this:
As she explained, "I sing about shattering an image that you have of somebody, but I also sing about loving someone that [you] wish you didn’t love. Because you know that you’re doomed, but you can’t stop yourself."
Thanks Flymat ( talk) 15:54, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
The opening paragraph makes no mention of Madonna being a DANCER or CHOREOGRAPHER. Would you please add these two defining characteristics/qualifications there? Considering that she started her entertainment career as a DANCER, she considers herself a dancer first, she dances in all her videos, performances and concerts and that she CHOREOGRAPHS much of her work as well as contributing to others and influencing many contemporary and subsequent performers, and the culture at large (in style, moves, parodies, imitators, satires, copycats, etc) I think these should even be mentioned first and second (or maybe second and third, after singer). :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.215.79 ( talk) 18:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Why is she credited under the name "Madonna" for songwriting credits? Aren't these all supposed to be by last name? DanielDPeterson + talk 04:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I think that a section should be made for Madonna's charity work over the years. with her starting her nonprofit organization for African children and adoptions. Also a section should DEFINITELY be made for her controversy over the years considering she is the most controversial entertainer to ever live. Michael Jackson being a very close second. But unlike him, Madonna has had controversy since her very beginning with people saying she was a one hit-wonder and that she sounded like Minnie mouse on helium to her following album when she sang Like A Virgin which in itself attracted a great amount of controversy. Also on the same album, the song Dress You Up received a very large amount of controversy from parents for its strong innuendo. Then of course came her scandal from the 10 year old nude photos. Then the uproar regarding the song Pap Don't Preach and its pro-life lyrics but to some promoting teen pregnancy. Then the Pepsi commercial fiasco regarding the Like A Prayer innuendo and themes. And that's just the 80's alone so I would not be surprised if an entire page was able to be filled with the amount of controversy she has received/is receiving. Not to mention the fact that people have literally debated for years about her with the "Madonna Studies" and all.( 98.181.61.49 ( talk) 03:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC))
The Madonna article once had a "criticism" section some felt was needed and it was removed some time ago for the same reasons some have just mentionned. It's better to discuss such things in the body of the whole article rather than in one specific section. Israell ( talk) 11:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
I now notice something... Formal (votes) or informal (no votes, just discussion) consensus is sometimes reached in order to settle a dispute or an edit war regarding statements included in the article, especially its lead.
The problem is that editors respect the consensus that is reached but weeks or months later, an editor simply decides to override the decision made and replaces it with another statement or simply deletes it without using this 'Talk' page first...
What's the point of debating here and reaching consensus if it can be overridden at any moment by any editor??? Makes no sense and it's a waste of time.
We've made it a point the term recording artist does not credit a songwriter and Madonna has co-written the vast majority of her material, especially when it comes to lyrics, and formal consensus was reached. It should also be noted that Madonna co-produced the majority the songs featured on her studio albums (as of 'True Blue'). I've just reverted that edit and the lead now reads "singer, songwriter".
Editors should discuss any major change in the lead here first. What do you think? Israell ( talk) 11:10, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
On the article for one of the most famous people in the world, one of the most used websites in the world is using as its principle photograph a four-years old, out of date, rather unattractive, image. There's got to be better, more recent Madonna photos in the public domain than that. I'm not a wiki contributer, just a casual reader, but coming at this from a new angle may highlight things that others who are here all the time overlook. Could one of you people please change that photo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.252.66 ( talk) 20:30, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
If that is the case then why not show a public photo of Madonna in her prime? I mean im sure that would be much easier to find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.181.61.49 ( talk) 00:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I really do not care about the attractiveness of the photo. I just care about accuracy. She looks nothing like this anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.181.61.49 ( talk) 04:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
What about using the MDNA album cover? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.234.252.67 ( talk) 16:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Its not the fact that its a slightly unattractive photo, but she looks absolutely nothing like this now. ( 98.181.62.167 ( talk) 06:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC))