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Did you know... that a journalist lived for a year using only goods made in Canada?
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... that the certification mark Product of Canada may be used for a good if at least 98% of all direct costs to create it are incurred in Canada? Source: "The Competition Bureau requires that at least 98 per cent of a good’s total direct costs of production or manufacturing are incurred in Canada before that good can be legally advertised as a "Product of Canada."" (
Made in Canada or Product of Canada? There's a difference)
ALT1:... that a company that makes fraudulent Made in Canada or Product of Canada claims can incur fines of up to CAD $10 million? Source: "Corporations that break the law can face fines up to $10 million dollars. Individuals found guilty can be fined up to $750,000." (
Made in Canada or Product of Canada? There's a difference)
Comment: there is a request to move this article to a different name. Results of the DYK review should be suspended until that discussion resolves.
Mindmatrix22:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: I did some expansion of the article, so it might be a good idea to hold a full review for a bit. I think the only major missing content is how "Made in Canada" is received internationally. Everything else seems sourced and just needs a bit of layout and tidying. –
Reidgreg (
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19:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)reply
ALT2 ... that journalist Frédéric Choinière lived for a year on Made in Canada goods? Source:
The Globe and Mail: "French-Canadian journalist and TV host Frédéric Choinière ... decided to embark on a challenge of living for one year exclusively on Canadian goods ... As his made-in-Canada experiment winds down, Choinière says what he's learned over the year is that incorporating Canadian-made goods into his lifestyle was easier than he thought it would be"
ALT3 ... that journalist Frédéric Choinière lived for a year using only goods Made in Canada? Source:
The Globe and Mail: "French-Canadian journalist and TV host Frédéric Choinière ... decided to embark on a challenge of living for one year exclusively on Canadian goods ... As his made-in-Canada experiment winds down, Choinière says what he's learned over the year is that incorporating Canadian-made goods into his lifestyle was easier than he thought it would be" - same as ALT2 but grammatical.
Johnbod (
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18:09, 9 January 2021 (UTC)reply
This is only a comment but I'm not sure if ALT2 or ALT3 can be passed; from what I remember there's an (unofficial) guideline on DYK that mentioning people who don't have articles in hooks is to be avoided unless necessary.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew02:33, 15 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Overall: Article was moved to the mainspace on December 19 and nominated the same day. Length and sourcing are adequate. Article is neutral in tone. No plagiarism issues were found. The concerns highlighted by the Earwig tool were directed quotes and proper names, neither of which are plagiarism. All four of the proposed hooks are interesting, and all are properly mentioned in the article and verified by the source. Also, I feel that mentioning the journalist by name is not a violation of
WP:BLPNAME since the attribution of the documentary is required and helps the understanding of the subject. No images are currently used in this article. QPQ requirement has been completed.
Flibirigit (
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16:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the thorough review! I'm okay with any of the hooks. BTW, I took a look for sources on
Frédéric Choinière and found a few pieces on his works (Ma vie Made in Canada is the most prominent in English media) but did not find any RSS focusing on the man himself, so I don't think a biography article would pass
WP:GNG. –
Reidgreg (
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12:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Requested move 20 December 2020
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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Made in Canada →
Made in Canada label – This article is not broadly about "things made in Canada" (which I would say is the primary topic of "Made in Canada") but about voluntary country-of-origin product labels/claims and the regulations concerning them. The labels themselves do not have a proper name, they appear in different forms and language, and are not themselves simply called "Made in Canada". I feel that the article should be moved to
Made in Canada label or alternatively to
Made in Canada (label) with a disambiguation page placed at primary per
WP:TWODABS. (There presently being a GA at
Made in Canada (TV series).) –
Reidgreg (
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17:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Further notes: On December 19, this article was moved to primary in place of a good article which was moved to
Made in Canada (TV series). Brief discussion at
Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board § Usurping a plain title (with no notice on the GA's talk page) held that the label was primary topic. While I feel that the label is more well-known, it isn't quite the natural name of the subject, and I suspect traffic would be in favour of the TV series. A
pageview comparison with the parent articles
Country of origin and
Consumer Packaging and Labeling Act (and with
Made in USA) gives an idea of what they might be for the Canadian label article (keep in mind that
Country of origin is a global subject and that Canada has about 12% the population as the US). (Incidentally,
Made in USA was formerly located at
Made in USA label, though I was unable to find a move discussion.) The next-most popular wordings that appear on such labels are Product of Canada (a redirect), Fabriqué au Canada, and Produit du Canada. I feel that there's a case to move the TV series back to primary, since that is its actual proper name (unlike the generic labels), though I'd be okay with a disambiguation page placed at primary. That would give the new article a chance to establish its scope and provide fair traffic statistics for possible future discussions. –
Reidgreg (
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17:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)reply
The label is only one aspect of what this topic represents. This article is about the certification marks "Made in Canada" and "Product of Canada" (often but not always grouped as "Made in Canada"). These marks represent voluntary claims made by a company about the origin of its products; a company may additionally add a label to its products stating "Made in Canada" or any number of other claims (as mentioned in the article). Although not yet in the article, such claims are covered by a number of laws, including the Food and Drugs Act and Consumer Packaging and Labelling Act (see, for example,
Guidelines defining "Product of Canada" and "Made in Canada" on food labels and advertising at Canadian Food Inspection Agency) and the Competition Act and Textile Labelling Act (see
Do I have to put "Made in Canada" or "Product of Canada" labelling on my product? at Competition Bureau Canada), and are covered by guidelines established by the Competition Bureau.
With that said, I oppose the suggested move to
Made in Canada label or
Made in Canada (label), as neither title is wholly representative of the concept discussed (though they'd make good redirects to this target). Perhaps
Made in Canada (certification mark) or a less wordy version of "Country of origin certification marks in Canada" would be a more appropriate target. I believe that the certification mark is a better candidate as
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC than the television show (and moreso as time passes, as the mark will likely continue to be used for decades), and that the current title redirect to whatever title is chosen (if any) and the hatnote updated accordingly. If the page is moved, all current redirects should be updated.
Mindmatrix00:56, 21 December 2020 (UTC)reply
I like
Country of origin certification marks in Canada for covering the subject of the article. Assuming that the scope of the article won't cover the use of other countries' certification marks within Canada, it may be redundant to have both country and Canada. How about
Canada-origin certification marks? That will also leave room for how the marks are received outside of Canada (i.e.: whether they encourage or discourage foreign consumers) and for counterfeit goods on the international market. –
Reidgreg (
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13:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.