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The form claes meaning clothes is not unique to Sunderland it being also found in Ulster-Scots(and therefore probably scottish-Scots as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.197.55 ( talk) 15:40, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm aware of the text on:
http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/bulletin_board/18/messages/864.html
...concerning the word 'Mackem' - I am the actual copyright holder of the text on the bulliten board where you found the information and it was me who posted there.
I only discovered 'Wikipedia' recently and decided if the Geordies could have a mention, so could the Mackems. If you look at the top of the page, it clearly states that this is the Discussion Forum section.
The original is on my own website at:
http://mysite.freeserve.com/kathmandu/safc/rivalry.htm
However, to avoid any problems, I will significantly change it and provide a link to both the bulliten board and my own website.
Ian (alias 'Beefy_SAFC')
I can't confirm this, but I was told by a Geordie that the word "Mackem" comes from the fact that Geordies think people from Sunderland are stupid, so "ye can mackem do this and ye can mackem do that" Emoscopes 15:31, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Nah, Geordies are the stupid ones - you couldn't even build a ship right. We Mak'ed 'em, you Tak'ed 'em. The fitting out of them was all we could trust you with.
I would more define a mackem as a subset of the greater group of geordie which covers people from the whole of the Tyne & Wear area (not just the county, the area including much of Co.Durham and southern Northumbria). Also though in modern terms with football being all thats important in this this has become distorted but in actual fact a geordie is not someone from Newcastle but someone from the coal mining areas of Co.Durham- due to the terms origin from the miners. And historically Sunderland has been part of Co.Durham. -- Josquius 17:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I first heard the term Makem in the mid senenties; my ex-husband was a shipwright and took offence as being called a Makem. he felt that it was an insult originating in Newcastle and derived from the wwearside accent where words like 'make' and 'take' become 'mak' and 'tak'. However I grew up in Sunderland and pronouce those words as mayk and tayk. 82.27.204.112 16:41, 24 December 2005 (UTC) Lee 24 December 2005
Hey all, often words can't be proven to exist before a particular time, but in this case I am very sure indeed that my Grandad and indeed my whole family was using the word "Mackem" in its current meaning back in the 1960's. At some point in the future I might find some old 8mm film...
I moved to Sunderland in 1979 and the word Mackem was certainly in use then to distinguish the people of Sunderland from those of Newcastle:
Also would like to add I have many friends from Washington, nearly all of them Geordies who take offence at being called "Mackem", so I don't think Mackem can be applied wholesale to people from there. In terms of allegiance to once city and football team or the other (Newcastle = Geordies or Sunderland = Mackems), Washington's pretty much 50:50.
Oddly though, there's a significant number of people in Ashington in Northumberland who are Sunderland supporters, and would call themselves Mackems rather than Geordies if pushed on the subject. I wonder if there may be more Mackems in Ashington than Washington?
In my opinion, probably the best current definition of whether you are Mackem or Geordie is that you are either one or the other if you're from Tyneside, Wearside or the surrounding area (unless of course you're a sandancer...) and the differentiation is dependent on which football team you support or which city you prefer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.135.13.135 ( talk) 12:52, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm from the south of Sunderland and nobody says 'summik', everybody says 'summit'. So that just isn't true. You may as well state that most people are gay because the small sample you tried are gay, or everyone wets the bed because you did.
The article needs updating to take into account what was revealed on Monday January 9's Balderdash and Piffle that the term can be dated back to at least 1988 where it was used in the Sunderland Echo, there is also an example of the term tak 'em and mak 'em being used in 1973 to be considered. here is the OED's draft entry for Mackem GracieLizzie 16:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC) (A proud Mackem)
The actuality is that a 'mackem' was the man who would 'mack' (make) the ship's rivets, and the other person - mentioned here - the 'tackem'- was the feller who took the rivets to the riveter - in fact this was a skilful operation because, as the ship grew upwards, he would have to 'hoy' (throw) the red hot rivets throught the air for them to be equally skilfully caught. Riveting was common from the late 1870s to about 1940 when welding superceded this method of construction. Incidentally, 'Geordie' was not a name confined to Newcastle folk, on the contrary, it was a term derived from "Georges" who were the men who sailed the coal barges, and these, as mentioned elsewhere, sailed from both the Tyne and the Wear.(GHT - 29/12/05)
I was born in Sunderland in 1948 and lived there for 30 years. I worked in engineering and mining and lived in Hendon for several years. Never did I hear the term 'mackem' until 1994 when my son asked me about it after reading an article in the press. I very much doubt the term is anything motre than a journalistic invention from the 1980s.
79.67.112.81 (
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18:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I first heard the term mackem in the 1960s as a child, and have never known people from Sunderland to be called anything else. Calling the football team the "black cats" however was something deliberately chosen by the team and its supporters in 1997 to try to get rid - unsuccessfully, of course - of the Mackem nickname which is seen by some as derogatory (and indeed is used in this sense by many Geordies). —Preceding
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12:59, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Thought I'd mention this - there's a category, [[Category: Wikipedians in Tyne and Wear]], and so far I'm the only one in it. This can't be right (I live in Berlin as it is), so Geordies and Mackems, please add yourself to it. ProhibitOnions 23:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
How is the 'w' at the end of a sentence pronounced? -- Mister Six 08:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
The main article is incorrect in saying that:
The mackem versions are actually pronounced "scew-el", "crew-el", "rew-el" etc.
It is not only Mackems who pronounce "Film" as "fill-im". This is a north-east wide pronunciation, i.e. it is the same in Northumberland, Tyne + Wear, and Durham
Geordies also use this
I've added an article for 'Wearside' if anyone fancies a gander, it's canny basic right now so if people can help me to expand it. Gazh 09:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Help me build it. Gazh 12:50, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I have changed Bobby Thompson entry to correctly state he is from sunderland - penshaw is part of sunderland and is three miles away from houghton-le-spring unlike what was stated in article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.140.178 ( talk) 15:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Could it not be considered that Joseph Swan is a famous mackem since he is from sunderland and is the inventor of the electric light bulb.
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Hello I would like to address a concern here, I have noticed that Heather Mills is in the list of famous mackems. Now we all know she's from Washington, however on one of her ranting GMTV interviews she claimed she was a geordie, so should we shift this from the page or not? The sunder king 15:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd been adding bits and pieces for a while now and was wondering if it needs organising a bit better? Maybe in format where the word comes first then the explanation comes after, and maybe in alphabetical order? I'm not entirely sure how to do this, but i will continue to add things as they come into mind, cheers. 167.1.176.4 ( talk) 12:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
This is a common term used in horse racing where a fence is damaged or, due to the low position of the sun for example, otherwise considered too hazardous to jump and is instead "dolled off" so that the jockeys do not have to attempt it. Easy to see how this could be applied to school or any other activity one was keen to avoid. Keristrasza ( talk) 01:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
A southerner who came to Sunderland in 1970 to study, I never heard the term Mackem until I started work in Newcastle in 1973 when the Geordies would refer to people from Sunderland as "the mackems and tackems". It was many years later I recall when "Mackems" suddenly came into popular currency. I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned (as far as I can see) that Mackems, like Cockneys, drop their "h"s whereas Geordies normally don't. 84.13.79.1 ( talk) 15:45, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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Isn't the Great Vowel Shift responsible for the mack and tack pronunciations of "make" and "take"? After all, a couple of centuries ago those were pronounced /ˈmaːk(ə)/ and /ˈtaːk(ə)/ (I'm not sure about the final schwa) in English. They could've been shortened to /ˈmak/ and /ˈtak/ and fail to shift to /eɪ/ or something similar because of their shortness. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) ( talk) 15:05, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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Reference named "Beal":
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I note that throughout this article there is unquestioning acceptance of the term Geordie being specific to Newcastle. As far as my research can tell me the origins of the term have many theories but none of them proven. They are just theories. How and when the natives of Newcastle 'hijacked' the word I don't know but I think it started as some kind of imitation of the Cockney idea of a name being restricted on a very small area. In fact, the very first written examples of the word Geordie were referring to the miners of Northumberland and Durham. To me, Geordie is an umbrella term for all of these dialects and accents Mackem, Newcastle and Pitmatic being just three variations. Blotski ( talk) 13:25, 10 January 2024 (UTC)