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At the end of the 1997 regular season with UNC, Brown left for Texas and was not the Head Coach for the Tarheels in the Gator Bowl (played January 1, 1998). He is given credit for this win in the season record table for UNC. I have placed an asterisk beside this "bowl attendance" and an explanation in the section which tells of him leaving UNC prior to this bowl. If someone has a better idea of how to footnote this, I'd appreciate a clean-up. SuMadre 12:17, 13 January 2006
"Under Brown's tenure, only one player (Kwame Cavil) has left the Texas team for the NFL Draft with any eligibility remaining." -- That may not be a true statement. Cavil was suspended by Brown before the Cotton Bowl. He may have been suspended for the entire next season as well. Wouldn't that make Cavil ineligible? -- Egumtow
Recently, 68.100.66.254 has made the following edits: [2] [3]
Looking at his edits, (and edit summaries), it appears that this user wishes to eliminate any and all criticism of Brown from the article, a POV change. The article in its previous state was, for the most part, NPOV. It listed his well-documented criticisms along with any factual basis for these, while also acknowledging his positive accomplishments. For example, this user made the following edit:
Although Brown has never won a conference title as a head coach at any school,he has amassed one of the winningest active records in college football, and is credited with revitalizing the Longhorn football program.
The first part of the sentence is most certainly factual, and serves to temper the second part of the sentence, which could imply more successful postseasons than he has actually attained.
Although criticized for losing five games in a row to rival Oklahoma, Brown's Longhorns beat the Sooners 45-12 in 2005.
The above statement was completely removed. This is obviously a VERY well-known bit of factual information, and has been a source of much of Brown's criticism. It even makes note of how badly the Sooners were beaten to end the streak, while it makes no mention of the even-worse beatings given to the Longhorns by the Sooners.
When the article makes note of the notoriously demanding Longhorn fanbase, the user makes the following addition:
Although his teams played for Big 12 titles, these detractors would only be satisfied if his teams were playing for National Championships instead. It looks like this year they may get their wish.
In my opinion, this is clearly POV, and the last bit is downright unencyclopedic.
In addition, the user made the following edit to the Dennis Franchione article: [4]. (I think that the use of the word 'floundering' is an attempt to inject POV into the article.)
This user's edits have been reverted by multiple editors, and I made a post on the user's talk page broaching the subject following the first edit. The comment was not addressed, and the user continued to make POV edits. Overall, I feel that this article is very fair to Brown, and reflects Wikipedia's policy towards neutral point of view. I would like to ask for comments regarding this situation, from both other editors, and from the user above. Thanks. --bbatsell | « give me a ring » 06:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Although Brown has never won a conference title as a head coach at any school,he has amassed one of the winningest active records in college football, and is credited with revitalizing theLonghorn football programNorth Carolina and Texas football programs.
Although his teams played for Big 12 titles, these detractors would only be satisfied if his teams were playing for National Championships instead. It looks like this year they may get their wish.
Thanks will do. I would be happy to work with you on this.
"Of course, Texas has yet to beat a "decent team" since beating Ohio State in the second game of the season (The win over Texas Tech cannot really count because their ranking is based on wins in the same weak-ass conference as Texas'.) While Texas is probably a solid top ten team, one can't help but wonder what their record would be if they played in the SEC or ACC conferences. Once again, the BCS stands to be totally embarrassed if Texas loses as badly at USC as many think they will."
Neither Cedric Benson nor Derrick Johnson returned for the 2005 season, since both were drafted several months previous in the NFL draft.
Is this really necessary for an article about the coach? I'm pretty sure it'd be a lot more effectively conveyed if there was just a brief summary about the season / just a link to the season's article. Just a thought. AlanzoB 16:55, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I've seen his name listed as William "Mack" Brown, implying that "Mack" is a nickname. The UT directory lists him as William M Brown. Is his middle name Mack? Ydorb 19:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
After thinking about it, he met with his players and promised them that his future was at North Carolina.
I have never heard this, but seeing how it could be true I will not delete it. Is there any evidence to back it up?
The current pic's cropped and way too small. I took this pic with him at the FEC and I think it'd be better for the article. Let me know. Corpx 16:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Is this necessary? I think a section about his career at UT should be sufficient. I'm looking at other coaches like Pete Carroll and Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden and Bob Stoops and they're all done this way. Corpx 06:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
The article contains many unsubstantiated criticisms that are derogatory not factual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rgwilliams ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
Why is Oklahoma have to be noted as a more illustrious program? —Preceding
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It almost doesn't seem like this article is unbiased and the many season sections towards then end seem very much like they are simply describing the seasons of the football program instead of referencing or referring to the coach which is what the article is supposed to be about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.199.92 ( talk) 05:55, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I have removed the following claim from the Salary Controversy section:
"It should also be noted, however, that Brown's salary is paid entirely out of the revenues created by the football program and is not related to the budget of the university at large."
This is (1) false since the athletic department receives subsidies from the rest of the university (see: http://blogs.utexas.edu/towertalk/2010/01/28/mondays-with-the-faculty/comment-page-1/#comment-543) (2) worded in an unclear and imprecise manner; surely athletic revenue is _related_ to the budget of the university at large (3) these "facts" are not cited. I'm not opposed to having language in this section on both sides of the issue, but this certainly can be done in a objective and cited way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.96.181.182 ( talk) 02:38, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Should it not be noted if the resolution passed or not? I am sure many resolutions on many topics are considered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.33.202.86 ( talk) 15:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
The infobox credits Brown with winning the 1996 Big 12 South Division and 1996 Big 12 Championship.
However, he was still coaching North Carolina at the time, making this impossible.
John Mackovic was the coach of Texas for that 1996 season, and the Big 12 Championship is correctly credited to him on his infobox. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.186.130.250 ( talk) 23:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Why is this in the second paragraph, listing all the years that Texas has beat Oklahoma? "1998, 1999, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2009, and 2013" -- 96.241.54.204 ( talk) 13:37, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
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