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I have edited the first sentence of this article to reflect proper grammar. Although I believe this change goes without saying, it seems more than surprising to me why this grammatical error has gone unnoticed by a fairly large group of editors. When discussing a band, you are referring to a singular noun, the band, not the band members. This means one must follow correct grammar principles by providing a grammatically correct verb afterward.
The article has been edited to reflect this principle. Thank you. Megazodiac 22:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Does this even exist? and, if it does, can anyone supply me with it so I can get a screenshot and add it to the videography? DMighton 17:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Nevermind, I found it. DMighton 05:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Possibly removed for copyright reasons. If you have a suitable picture that satisfies copyright permissions, please feel free to upload it :) Mosh 21:37, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
If Machine Head are to be classed by a certain sub-genre of metal, two things really need to happen: 1. There has to be a rationale for the classification in the 'Sound Debate' sub-section. They've been considered for about 10 different metal genres at different times, so this can't be stressed enough. 2. If there is to be a rationale, some form of substantiation would most definitely help. Either a recognised critical opinion or perhaps even the band's own thoughts. Encyclopaedia's aren't meant to reflect one person's particular opinion.
Hey, I've added some refinements to this part of the article, feel free to comment. Someone add necessary links if necessary. -- Rp81 05:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I am removing the reference to mallcore in the article as it implies that the term is a valid musical genre when in fact it's a derogatory slur used to demean certain styles of music. Also, I'd like some quotes or references in the genre debate section, simply saying that some call them nu-metal is very vague and not very encyclopedic.
Currently, the band is described as metalcore, nu metal, thrash, and heavy metal. I think that groove metal and nu metal for their mid career describes their genre enough. Why put heavy metal? That is redundant as groove metal is a form of heavy metal, and heavy metal in the genre box implies that they play music like Priest and Sabbath. What stops people from calling Cannibal Corpse heavy metal, because death is also a metal subgenre? I'm also not sure where thrash and metalcore come from either. And why was groove metal removed???? Who thinks this should change?
Groove Metal is a stupid made up genre, Machine Head are part of the New Wave Of American Heavy Metal. True they don't sound like Sabbath but Sabbath was early Heavy Metal, things develop. Machine Head should just be labelled as Heavy Metal or just plain Metal. Jay794 ( talk) 15:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Groove metal is no "stupid made up genre" as it can be sourced and groove metal is often used by the press in combination with Machine Head. MH is considered one of the initiators of groove metal. MH have changed their style throughout their career, groove metal being a prominent genre. Kameejl ( Talk) 18:32, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Well I've never heard Rob Flynn say "I would call Machine Head Groove Metal, I've heard him say "we play heavy fuckin' metal" though. I think we should remove "Groove Metal" until the matter has been discussed further. It sounds like POV to me Jay794 ( talk) 20:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
We don't need Flynn to say what genre music he plays, we need the press. The press has clearly called them groove metal. As it is properly sourced I'll put back GM. Kameejl ( Talk) 09:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
So basically if a member of the press says Slipknot are Pop music, that makes them pop? I don't think so Jay794 ( talk) 12:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
They are a groove metal band. Just because a band calls themselves something it doesn't mean its true. Motorhead don't consider themselves a metal band, but they are still widely accepted as one. I added the Groove Metal tag back. Bloodredchaos ( talk) 12:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
From the article:
Two questions: by whom has it been said, and by whom is it widely acclaimed? Without any context for these claims, they look like a fan of the band trying to talk it up, and frankly that just isn't appropriate for an encyclopedia. — Haeleth Talk 21:58, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
<-- i am not a fan and not the author but it is true about what was said imo.
The "imo" at the end pretty much means that the original point is correct. What you're saying is that it's correct in your opinion. The article needs to be documented fact, not the opinion of some people who say so on here. For the record, I agree with the statement being discussed, but that doesn't make it correct. IainP (talk) 20:40, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps replace it with a mention of them being one of the 'notable' metal bands of the 90's... Burn My Eyes was the highest selling debut record on Roadrunner for quite some time, after all. Notable is quantifiable, 'heaviest' is wishy-washy.
Hi, I still have reviews of BME from various magazines, and they were all talking of Machine Head being the heaviest metal band to emerge for some time. Not as extreme as Slayer or Morbid Angel, for example, but pretty damn heavy - especially for a band who sold so well. So I think the article is articulating what was felt at the time accurately. I don't know which band had the highest selling album before Machine Head, but I know BME sold about 400-500,000 worldwide, which is pretty impressive for a debut album on an independent metal label. Ian
If you are going to debate statements like 'by whom', then every article would simply be a list of sales figures, disographys and band member lists. Music is not a specific thing that can be quantified, it is all a metter of opinion. Nobody would debate that they were one of the heaviest bands of the mid 90's, and arguning that it is not apropriate to state this is silly pedanticness - Neil
I agree with Neil here to an extent, but so you know magazines such as Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, etc, were all going on about Machine Head being the heaviest band to emerge for some time. Also see the way Slipknot's debut album was reported by the rock press. Ian
If nobody objects, I'm going to go all Wiki on the discography and move it to a page of its own (obviously with a link to take the reader there). I'm doing this with the Megadeth and Iron Maiden pages, also. In line with those two, I'll reformat the discography to include thumbnail pictures and so forth. Planning to do this on/around Jan 1st. IainP (talk) 08:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Im querying the statement that Machine Heads biggest show to date was 2005's Wacken Open Air festival.
The Wiki entry for Dynamo Open Air states in 1995 Machine Head played to an audience of over 110,000
Przystanek Woodstock in 2012 was the biggest show they've ever played. 550,000 people in attendance according to this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FotherMucker99 ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Encyclopaedia Metallum classifys Machine Head as a Half-Thrash / Groove Metal unit. Half-Thrash and Groove Metal are basically the same thing, but I would really appreciate it if people would stop taking out Groove Metal and replacing it with Heavy Metal. Yes, they are a Heavy Metal band, but a sub-genre of it called Groove Metal.
surely download festival in 2004 was there largest audiance
What's the deal with 2 separate people allegedly saying the exact same thing:
"We play music that straddles the line between prog and traditional rock. I think we make prog-rock more listenable without cheapening the progressiveness of it. The complexity of our music appeals to people who like technical playing, but the arrangements are not so extreme that they fly over the average listener's head. It's a good balance." —John Campbell, Lamb of God biography ( Lamb of God)
We play music that straddles the line between prog and traditional rock. I think we make prog-rock more listenable without cheapening the progressiveness of it. The complexity of our music appeals to people who like technical playing, but the arrangements are not so extreme that they fly over the average listener's head. It's a good balance. ” —Dave McClain, Machine Head Diary ( Machine head (band))
(accordingly, this question will be posted verbatim in both talk pages)
-- srostami 06:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
oeps, my bad... fixed MH article. Thanks, I made a mess when I tried to improve the MH quote layout. Emmaneul ( Talk) 00:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
from a comment in the history: we can say that mid-career albums are nu metal, so we should put it in Connacht 16:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Machine Head being thrash metal? Whose grandma wrote that there? I wanted to remove that ridiculous notion immediately, but knowing wikipedia I'd get reverted anyway. Really, Machine Head is NOT thrash metal. Not at all. 81.242.132.127 20:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Machine Head have always pulled in huge elements of thrash metal, and it's not an unfair classification. A good few of their songs are blisteringly fast and thrashy. 64.90.217.245 05:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Ehm but if you would'nt consider those many fast songs from their early career, to be thrash-metal, i can never understand your POV at all. They started as thrash-band. At least BME is PURE THRASH_METAL. There's hints of groove-metal, but it's still pure thrash. Metallocalyptica 19:31 9 october 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter if they're thrash metal or not, enough critics have labelled them as such that it can't really be disputed a great deal over whether or not to include it. James25402 ( talk) 14:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Some dates need to be added to the section "The Blackening". It says April 18, but what year? 2005, 2006, 2007??? Talk User:Fissionfox 10:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Someone (I don't know how) should update the sales of the band especially for The Blackening. Skeeker [ Talk 09:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
There must be some interesting person, who has really lots of time to check Wikipedia and change articles as he likes it. Somebody just likes to say that Machine head is Thrash, Heavy and even Metalcore and writes down - Do not change it without discussion-. Ok man! MH has nothing to do with Metalcore, and it is NOT Thrash Metal ... Do you know the band called Metallica? If you do, you probably could know Master Of Puppets.. and you also could know Slayer. ..Does Reign in Blood sound like Machine Head? NOT! MH is Half-Thrash or Neo-Thrash. But mainly, Burn My Eyes was one of the first albums, that defined groove metal. Later The Burning Red and Supercharger are even Nu Metal. There is no Metalcore in MH. Here are two reliable cases: http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=335 and http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,5471.sm so do not mess with me! ! ! !. You probably just dont like Groove Metal or what and listen to MH, but it is not a problem of an encyclopedia! You have no privilege to tell others not to edit something if you show no reason and if the statement I edit was wrong before and is correct after that and fuck you if you are gonna make here edit wars man..-- Lycantrophe ( talk) 09:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow dude, u sound really annoyed, hope this isn't a personal attack on someone, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks for more info. Just out of curiousity though to me, and obviously I speak for myself only "Groove" and "metal" are two completely different things, if something is "groovy" then it can hardly be something that makes you want to jump around in the mud listening to slayer whilst getting thrown around by other big dudes who think the same as you. Just a thought. Jay794 ( talk) 17:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear Kameejl - 1. Groove Metal is Not Half-neo-post thrash. It is associated with groove metal but is not GM, so be accurate please. You also cant say it is Thrash Metal and Heavy Metal. MH does not play Thrash Metal - do you know what Thrash Metal is? Or do you just like how it sounds in association with MH? Read Wikipedia:Five pillars please! And Classic Heavy Metal is it not too. Black Sabbath is Classic Heavy Metal. And if you mean Heavy Metal as a hypernym for all these metal subgenres - we do not write it down in this case - it is self-evident. 2. Why is urban dictionary an improper source?-- Lycantrophe ( talk) 08:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
More important than Demmel collapsing onstage because of dehydration, the next day, in Zurich, on December 7th, he learned his father passed away. However, he played the show that night, and then flew back home. He insisted that The Black Crusade tour continued without him, now guitarists from Arch Enemy, Trivium and the bassist from Dragonforce are learning to play Machine Head songs, the band's official site said.
In fact you can see all of this on their website. Noirdez ( talk) 18:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Towards the end of The Blackening section, it sure reads like one. For example, it speaks of an "upcoming" show in September 2007, for crying out loud. This needs to be reworded to fit current-day terms. Reminds me a lot of Korn's "Recent Events" section. Dark Executioner ( talk) 21:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
*In the lead, you cut from 1992 to 2007. Better to shorten the first para (members, formation date), and then discuss career in the 2nd
...and a note on my talk page when done, please. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide ( H2O) 07:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
whats this mumbo jumbo about a gang confrontation and flynn/duce fearing for their lives?
it has to be bogus.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt head16 ( talk • contribs) 10:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind, I see it. Can't believe I never heard of that. Dark Executioner ( talk) 11:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
This is the demo of Burn My Eyes's Block: link. Robert Flynn looks like Castro when he was young :) ...-- LYKANTROP 16:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the article, I noticed that the Discography, Members and Awards and Nominations sections are indented under the references section. I looked at the source to try to edit this and correct it, but on the edit page everything appeared to be in the correct order. This seems to have happened in one of the last two revisions of the page, sometime today. I am still new and don't want to try to correct this and risk making it worse. Interestingly average ( talk) 16:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thrash is basically defined by the chugging sound of the rythm made by the guitar. Just as Heavy Metal as a whole evolves into a wider sound. so did thrash metal which is just a sub-genre of heavy metal.
Stop trying to box every thing as different categories genre junkies!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.254.123 ( talk) 10:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
That can't all be in past tense anymore. Alert to someone who knows more about it. 3pointswish ( talk) 05:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I have jsut uploaded about 10 photos to WikiCommons that I took at Sheffield Arena on Friday. So yeah, you can use them were-ever you want because I issued them under CC liscense. [2] REZTER TALK ø 12:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
On the music videos section, exists a video ("Take My Scars") that don't have a reliable source as reference to prove their year of release and the director's name. So, if you known some kind of source like an interview (magazine, internet), DVD, CD (booklet too), VHS, etc. Help us! Regards, Canniba loki 06:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Nu Metal should should be listed as (mid-career) rather than (early). Machine Head's early material was 'Burn My Eyes' or 'The More Things Change...'. Which were the Groove/Thrash Metal sound they are most known for. Duck610 ( talk) 08:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Can someone add a chart showing the dates of when members were/are in the band? VenomousConcept ( talk) 15:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
What was wrong with that photo that someone put up? I thought it was quite good. It showed all the members, unlike the live photo. Can we have it back? VenomousConcept ( talk) 19:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, fair enough. I do think wikipedia worries about copyright too much though, which is why so few articles have pictures, which is a shame. VenomousConcept ( talk) 19:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know for sure but i can sense some elements of death metal or melodic death metal in their blackening album.i have managed to find a source but i thought i better discuss it here first. anyone feels it should be added? -- Knightrider abhi ( talk) 16:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
A months ago I noted that Machine Head stuff appeared on The Sopranos in the form of a poster and a t-shirt. The Sopranos was a huge Emmy winning show on HBO, and I thought it was noteworthy so I added it. Looks like it is gone now. Why isn't that info noteworthy here? Neanderthalprimadonna ( talk) 20:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Guys groove metal and thrash metal are the two genres that describes MH the best. Musically they they take influences from different genres but their basic and most referenced sound is that of groove/thrash. So before changing the genre in the infobox PLEASE PROVIDE RELIABLE SOURCES before editing thank you. Genres like death metal or melo death are not referenced. Please remove such things-- Knightrider abhi ( talk) 07:54, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
The article describes the band as Heavy Metal but the genre section on the side doesn't say Heavy Metal. That doesn't make any sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brayness ( talk • contribs) 14:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Machine Head may have gotten their earlier groove metal material much more popular in their later years, but what first got them famous was the nu metal style of The Burning Red and then Supercharger. For a number of years, Burning Red was their best-selling album - it had sold even more than Burn My Eyes. (Of course, after that album was "discovered," it skyrocketed in popularity, and every album after Supercharger returned to groove metal.) I tried adding it in already (see article's edit history) but Teh Trasher kept reverting me and suggested I bring it up here. I suggest adding "1999-2001" after the nu metal tag if it is added (which it should), linking '99 to The Burning Red and '01 to Supercharger.
Groove metal may be what they're known for now, but for a while, and when they first got into the mainstream, they were a nu metal band. Please consider this. DannyMusicEditor ( talk) 23:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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I believe that Robb Flynn plays rhythm guitar as he is the singer, and Phil plays the lead primarily. Any opinion on this matter?
-- 67.87.104.25 ( talk) 19:38, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
Yes they both share solo duties but Demmel seems to do it more and it also says on Machine Head's facebook page that Phil is the lead guitarist. It is really up for debate but I believe what I see-- 67.87.104.25 ( talk) 16:02, 13 August 2016 (UTC)Mike DeNicola-- 67.87.104.25 ( talk) 16:02, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
I will fix the timeline if possible with the guitar roles distinguishing between Robb and Phil, because Robb plays rhythm roughly 60%/40%, and Phil Lead 60%/40% I am hoping that I can differentiate instead of putting down just "guitars" since both guitarists trade leads from time to time, thanks-- Miked1992 ( talk) 18:33, 2 March 2018 (UTC)Miked1992-- Miked1992 ( talk) 18:33, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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There are ongoing disputes about how Logan Mader and Chris Kontos should be listed in the members section due to the fact that they are nto returning as full members for the Brun My Eyes anniversary tour. User:4TheWynne seems to be the main editor who is insistent on them being listed as former members but this is not clear to the reader that they are currently performing with the band. Therefore I would make the following suggestions:
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Personally, I think option C is the best as it is clear that currently they are performing with the band but also have a history. Once the BME tour is complete and their status within the band reaffirmed then they can be moved to the former members section. But whilst they are in the band (in any capacity) it is misleading to list them as former members. MetalDylan ( talk) 13:02, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
I think either option A or C are best, I'm leaning more towards A, but either works just as well in my eyes, as they will be members of the band, even if it's not for long. Issan Sumisu ( talk) 15:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
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