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Thebes, Greece, or Thebes, Egypt? –Hajor 02:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
By the way, I found and specified the source for the "saint" title for the figure. There is still, though, a really active question of whether this fellow has been reviewed and demoted post VC2. It's possible, although usually the demotions have taken place for the legendary saints (Christopher, e.g.) and not the polemicists. I wrote this article long ago, when I was on a "saint a day" campaign. During that, I found quite a few saints who were really no more than controversialists, and some of them quite...well, political...so there's no accounting for when and whether the canonization takes place. The other article is Lucifer Calaritanus. I need to look into which should merge where. No biggie if "my" article is totally obliterated by that one, if it's better. Geogre 15:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
The two articles have been merged, as the Lucifer Calitanus article had less in it than Saint Lucifer. However, that article, which did not specify its sources, had an interesting line about 19th century misunderstandings of "Luciferians" and a subsequent scandal about the saint. That has been incorporated into a new final paragraph in Saint Lucifer. Despite finding few sources for a specific canonization of Lucifer, there are fewer yet for the re-evaluation or demotion of him. Consequently, the 1951 Omer Englebert's Lives must be taken as documentary evidence, as it was submitted, reviewed, and accepted by censors. It's the best we can do for now. Any evidence of reevaluation or demotion would be welcome, however. Geogre 17:16, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
The result of the move request was page moved to Lucifer of Cagliari. @ harej 23:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Saint Lucifer →
Lucifer Calaritanus — This article should never have been moved/created under that controversial title, because the status as a saint or the identity of the saint with the schismatic is controversial. However, Lucifer Calaritanus is an uncontroversial title, which also is better in disambiguating the bishop from the satanic creature. See also what Afasmit wrote above.
Str1977
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20:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
After following the life / history of Saint Athanasius and viewing the main page here, I see the person in question was / had opposition to Arian position and was exiled for it by the Emperor Constantine II. I have never come across this person before, even though I'v studied Saint Athanasius. I would have to study further. I would want to know was he present at The Council of Sardica? So, at this stage I would have to decline comment until I had the chance to study. I also see that he said to Constantine II that he was willing to die for his faith. (An important step even today for Canonization). But then the Church imposed silence on opposite opinions. Then, too, there is confusion over mis-identity. Therefore, at this stage, I would have to decline a vote.
MacOfJesus ( talk) 00:23, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
The title "Saint/s" was used in the early Church to refer to The People of God, The Church themselves. Later it became to be used more specifically for indaviduals, and as a previous person has just said, it was'nt used more qualified than that. MacOfJesus ( talk) 10:37, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
It is telling that this bishop had this name. The only logical conclusion would be that "Lucifer" - which stands for "the morning star" - was not related to the devil. What father would name his son after the devil? The Lucifer entry in the Wikipedia is clear enough on this topic. -- CalaClii ( talk) 14:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
In 2 Peter 1:19 in The Latin Vulgate Version, the word "Lucifer" was used to refer to Christ. In English versions, the word "Lucifer" was taken out and was replaced with "Day Star" (KJV) and "Morning Star" (NIV). Many people do not know that Lucifer is use to reference Christ, even in the Latin Easter Prayer ("The Exsultet"), the word "Lucifer" is used to reference Christ. Smilelaughenjoy ( talk) 08:17, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
Lucifer of Cagliari, is mentioned as a one of the Bishops that refused permission for the repentant Arian Bishops to return to their Sees..... Saint Athanasius of Alexandria recommended that they should be admitted back, those of severe penitents. 359 - 362. MacOfJesus ( talk) 17:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
In the account here below quoted....... we see a very resistance to the repentant Bishops wishing to return to the Orthodox Faith.....
"His "Dialogue" against the Luciferians deals with a schismatic sect whose founder was Lucifer, Bishop of Cagliari in Sardinia. The Luciferians refused to approve of the measure of clemency by which the Church, since the Council of Alexandria, in 362, had allowed bishops, who had adhered to Arianism, to continue to discharge their duties on condition of professing the Nicene Creed. This rigorist sect had adherents almost everywhere, and even in Rome it was very troublesome. Against it Jerome wrote his "Dialogue", scathing in sarcasm, but not always accurate in doctrine, particularly as to the Sacrament of Confirmation."
This would confirm what Alban Butler was saying above.... MacOfJesus ( talk) 18:01, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
The external link:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08341a.htm
MacOfJesus (
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18:06, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
I think a new section in the Article Page citing these reports would be a must....... MacOfJesus ( talk) 07:33, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I find it hard to condemn "the Luciferians", as the Arians proved to be capable of anything.... see the words of Pope Liberius to Emperor Canstantius in Milan in Article Page "Athanasius of Alexandria".... MacOfJesus ( talk) 20:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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